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Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:40 am

I have no doubt that our modern perceptions of history is coloured in various ways, but I also think that viewing history as more noble than it was is also biased and false.

Government or no government, business is an amoral enterprise whose only goal is self-preservation and expansion. It would not be any more noble or ethical with more government or less government, it would just use different avenue to achieve it's goals.


I do not particularly like the crony capitalism concept, as it sounds no different to me than "That wasn't true socialism".

I have seen in my country how businesses cut the feet from underneath each other in completely legal ways, even without corruption involving the government.

Some years back when I was living in Osijek, a big taxi company decided to expand to that city and offered sub-subsistence prices with the goal of killing off the established small time taxi services. And they did so, successfully, afterwards raising the prices again to normal levels.
No government involvement, just a big fish who had money he could burn killing off his competition through shady practices.


My parents worked in a sugar factory in my home town. That sugar factory was constructed long ago and I think the foundations were laid in 1943, if I recall correctly.
It had in my opinion the superior product on our local market and there were 2 other competing sugar factories.
I've tried the competing product a few times and it is simply less sweet. You had to use 3 spoons of the competitors product to get the same sweetness as one spoon from the product of the factory in my home town.
Over time, the owner of one of the competing factories managed to buyout the other two and is now merging them into one giant conglomeration, under the banner of the one with the inferior product.

Then of course there is also the basically well known secret that the manufacturing industry is essentially in mafia-like agreement with each other not to undercut one another in their respective regions which has lead to a steady decrease in the money they are offering to the farmers when they buy their product, which has put a large dent in that sectors profitability and sustainability.
Then there is the fallout of the 2008 crisis, where the companies decided to, under the auspices of dealing with the crisis, slash all the workers wages promising to raise them back up once they've recovered, which they still haven't done 10 years later and the workers here don't exactly have much of a say in the matter, seeing as employment is scarce and you can't afford to lose your job.

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As a result of this and many more such practices by both business and government, my home town, that used to number a population of about 14.5 thousand people 25 years ago, has basically deflated to about 6000 people and dropping.
The birthrate is constantly declining, as is the overall purchasing power of the general populace and most young people are leaving/fleeing this country to make a living and family in other countries in Western Europe, where they will no doubt depress the wages for the locals.


Like I said, we've had some 200-ish years of capitalism, about 70 years of various forms of socialism and centuries of various forms of governments trying to legalize their way into utopia. If any of them was actually capable of bringing it about, you'd think by now we would have achieved it.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:53 pm

Apparently Trump blatantly lied about my countries crime statistics some time ago. He said crime was up ten percent due to migrants when this isn´t the case and further claimed that the goverment is reluctant to release these numbers. Actually the country is safer than it has been in years despite taking in so many refugees. Why is it that right wing politicians and their allies have to lie about these things? There is nothing that I hate more about them. This reminds me of the time Breitbart said migrants had attacked our oldest church.... Stop intrumentalizing our politics for your agendas! :x
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:25 pm

I suppose there is something to what you say:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 14066.html
The Truth About German Crime Statistics

U.S. President Donald Trump tweeted that the German crime rate had risen by 10 percent because of refugees in the country. He's wrong. We took a closer look at just how wrong.
The article does conclude with this:
There was a brief rise in the number of violent crimes reported in 2016, an increase that criminologists believe is connected to the wave of refugee arrivals. Researchers see a variety of possible causes for that rise. The 10 percent rise in crime claimed by Donald Trump, on the other hand, never happened.
That said, the article kind of tries to gloss over the following:
Has the number of crimes committed by refugees risen?

There are initial research results for violent crimes such as murder, sex offences and serious bodily harm. There was a 6.7 percent rise in such crimes from 2015 to 2016 following a steady decline from 2007 onwards. Last year, however, the number of violent crimes began dropping again.
6.7% isn't 10%, that's true, but it's a lot closer to 10 than to 0, so let's not be dishonest as well.


The article is not particularly long or particularly detailed. It's worth a read, but it is too sparse to be truly useful. I also have somewhat of a distrust in any figures coming from the German government and media as well as their opposition, seeing as they all have a vested interest and an obvious bias in portraying/spinning things in their favour.
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:29 pm

https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.nytimes ... n.amp.html

This guy is probably going to be Brazils next president despite apparently proclaiming he'd rather hear that his son died than that he is gay. And thats just the beginning of things wrong with him...
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:29 pm
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This guy is probably going to be Brazils next president despite apparently proclaiming he'd rather hear that his son died than that he is gay. And thats just the beginning of things wrong with him...
There is nothing wrong with him, he was raised in a tradition ways, and he have right to think that way, homosexuality is a mental illness and not something that you must be proud of. Finally Brazil is turning his back towards leftist degenerates. Thank heavens. Next is France, Germany and maybe Spain.
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:35 am

Ghost13 wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:29 pm
https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.nytimes ... n.amp.html

This guy is probably going to be Brazils next president despite apparently proclaiming he'd rather hear that his son died than that he is gay. And thats just the beginning of things wrong with him...
Perhaps, but it should be taken as a sign of the times and the deep flaws in the established political structures that the public is losing faith in if they are deciding to opt for someone who is seemingly or actually radical change. This should be taken into account everywhere where there is a seemingly or actually radical "reactionary" and "populist" movement gaining ground.

It probably didn't help that someone tried to assassinate him in terms of his or the establishment's approval, if you are against him, that is...

As for his opinions on homosexuality, as much as I disagree with him, he has the right to hold said views and so long as he doesn't advocate for policies regarding said views, I do not care. If/when he does, I will disagree with the implementation of said policies.
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There is nothing wrong with him, he was raised in a tradition ways, and he have right to think that way, homosexuality is a mental illness and not something that you must be proud of.
No, it isn't. At most it's a disorder. An illness is something that severely negatively effects the organism and endangers it's life and well being if not treated.
Homosexuality does not endanger the physical well being of the person, nor is it "treatable".
The only thing it does directly affect is the ability to reproduce, which is not crucial to survival of the organism and given that it appears in at most 5% of the population, it does not affect the population either, considering our current population numbers and that by a rough estimate in terms of normal reproductive success of our species roughly only 40% of all men have managed to successfully reproduce and 80% of all women.

Your sexuality is generally speaking the way your brain is wired and how it happened to develop prior to birth. There is nothing about being gay that one should be any more proud or ashamed of than being white, black, male, female, blonde, blue eyed or any other physical feature one is born with.

Just because it is abnormal does not mean it is morally or in any other way wrong/evil.

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Finally Brazil is turning his back towards leftist degenerates. Thank heavens. Next is France, Germany and maybe Spain.
Perhaps for Brazil it could be a good thing. They have been stuck in a bad place for so long that any shake-up could be good. They probably do need a Trump-like figure.
As for France, Germany and Spain, that is wishful thinking at best. Even the populist, natonalist and eurosceptic movements in these countries are generally more left leanig than right, depending on one's definition of "left" and "right", ofc.
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:20 am

MTVCCVC wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:35 am
Ghost13 wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:29 pm
https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.nytimes ... n.amp.html

This guy is probably going to be Brazils next president despite apparently proclaiming he'd rather hear that his son died than that he is gay. And thats just the beginning of things wrong with him...
Perhaps, but it should be taken as a sign of the times and the deep flaws in the established political structures that the public is losing faith in if they are deciding to opt for someone who is seemingly or actually radical change. This should be taken into account everywhere where there is a seemingly or actually radical "reactionary" and "populist" movement gaining ground.

It probably didn't help that someone tried to assassinate him in terms of his or the establishment's approval, if you are against him, that is...

As for his opinions on homosexuality, as much as I disagree with him, he has the right to hold said views and so long as he doesn't advocate for policies regarding said views, I do not care. If/when he does, I will disagree with the implementation of said policies.
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There is nothing wrong with him, he was raised in a tradition ways, and he have right to think that way, homosexuality is a mental illness and not something that you must be proud of.
No, it isn't. At most it's a disorder. An illness is something that severely negatively effects the organism and endangers it's life and well being if not treated.
Homosexuality does not endanger the physical well being of the person, nor is it "treatable".
The only thing it does directly affect is the ability to reproduce, which is not crucial to survival of the organism and given that it appears in at most 5% of the population, it does not affect the population either, considering our current population numbers and that by a rough estimate in terms of normal reproductive success of our species roughly only 40% of all men have managed to successfully reproduce and 80% of all women.

Your sexuality is generally speaking the way your brain is wired and how it happened to develop prior to birth. There is nothing about being gay that one should be any more proud or ashamed of than being white, black, male, female, blonde, blue eyed or any other physical feature one is born with.

Just because it is abnormal does not mean it is morally or in any other way wrong/evil.

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Finally Brazil is turning his back towards leftist degenerates. Thank heavens. Next is France, Germany and maybe Spain.
Perhaps for Brazil it could be a good thing. They have been stuck in a bad place for so long that any shake-up could be good. They probably do need a Trump-like figure.
As for France, Germany and Spain, that is wishful thinking at best. Even the populist, natonalist and eurosceptic movements in these countries are generally more left leanig than right, depending on one's definition of "left" and "right", ofc.
Homosexuality is dangerous for your health because it help's spreading venereal diseases. What about treatment, even thou there is non, it ain't meant that their would be none in the future, many mental disorders or other type of diseases were labeled us untreatable until scientists found one.
Yes in the terms of traditional right wingers many populist parties in today's Europe are centrists, but it's already big step into right direction for Europe which would help other truly right wing parties to be able to gain the power again, returining Europe his original face and heritage. There is no alternative for if, except civil war, for which European countries are heading since 1960-is when programs of mass immigration began in many European monogamous states. I hope to see the day when Marxism (be it cultural or/and economical) would be banned as National-socializm is banned.
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:54 am

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Homosexuality is dangerous for your health because it help's spreading venereal diseases.
That has nothing to do with sexuality, homo or hetero, but with unsafe/unprotected sex and maybe promiscuity. You can catch STDs through heterosexual intercourse as easily as you would homosexual intercourse.
Even so, the dangerous illness there is the STD, not the sexuality.

Some STDs can be caught through completely non-sexual activity, HIV through blood for instance and there was at least one instance I know where an orthodox Rabi infected a baby's penis with herpes during the brit milah.
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Yes in the terms of traditional right wingers many populist parties in today's Europe are centrists, but it's already big step into right direction for Europe which would help other truly right wing parties to be able to gain the power again, returining Europe his original face and heritage. There is no alternative for if, except civil war, for which European countries are heading since 1960-is when programs of mass immigration began in many European monogamous states. I hope to see the day when Marxism (be it cultural or/and economical) would be banned as National-socializm is banned.
That's quite the statement to make considering that the longest period of peace in Europe's history happened during this period.
Considering that I've seen what this utopia of what Europe used to be like is like in reality with all the national, ideological and geopolitics based wars and genocides, including the one my country suffered in the 90s, I'm not as eager to turn the clock back as you are.

Europe is not on a good path now, but that does not mean that trying to reclaim some romanticised former glory is any better.
And of all things that are having a significant impact on Europe's stability, immigration is not even in the top 5. Post-nationalism, centralisation of power, demands on sovereignty, the Euro, the growing gap in understanding between the elites and the populace, political radicalization, the growth of the political fringes and the collapse of the political centre, etc. etc.
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:16 pm

MTVCCVC wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:54 am
TOMMM wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:20 am
Homosexuality is dangerous for your health because it help's spreading venereal diseases.
That has nothing to do with sexuality, homo or hetero, but with unsafe/unprotected sex and maybe promiscuity. You can catch STDs through heterosexual intercourse as easily as you would homosexual intercourse.
Even so, the dangerous illness there is the STD, not the sexuality.

Some STDs can be caught through completely non-sexual activity, HIV through blood for instance and there was at least one instance I know where an orthodox Rabi infected a baby's penis with herpes during the brit milah.
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Yes in the terms of traditional right wingers many populist parties in today's Europe are centrists, but it's already big step into right direction for Europe which would help other truly right wing parties to be able to gain the power again, returining Europe his original face and heritage. There is no alternative for if, except civil war, for which European countries are heading since 1960-is when programs of mass immigration began in many European monogamous states. I hope to see the day when Marxism (be it cultural or/and economical) would be banned as National-socializm is banned.
That's quite the statement to make considering that the longest period of peace in Europe's history happened during this period.
Considering that I've seen what this utopia of what Europe used to be like is like in reality with all the national, ideological and geopolitics based wars and genocides, including the one my country suffered in the 90s, I'm not as eager to turn the clock back as you are.

Europe is not on a good path now, but that does not mean that trying to reclaim some romanticised former glory is any better.
And of all things that are having a significant impact on Europe's stability, immigration is not even in the top 5. Post-nationalism, centralisation of power, demands on sovereignty, the Euro, the growing gap in understanding between the elites and the populace, political radicalization, the growth of the political fringes and the collapse of the political centre, etc. etc.
Peace? If you mean that until 1990-s there was no war in the territory of Europe they yes, but you're taking out operations that they are making out of continent, especially the once which are the part of NATO-s operations in Asia and Africa.
Immigration is the main problem for Europe, because 60 years of constant immigration especially from northern Africa's and Asia's islamic countries turned demographic map of Europe to worse and created huge civilizational gap between newcomers and natives, I was in Europe and it wasn't utopia or something it was in some places hell hole , pseudo-international of course, where you can't walk free without being under constant danger to be robbed, killed, raped or being victim of terrorist attacks. By the way since 1815 until 1855 there wasn't any major war or conflict between european nations in the Continental Europe(considering your logic) and after 1877-1878 Russian-Turkish last war until 1912 Balkan wars. For you maybe hellish "peace" is ok, until it is covering ugly future of Europe which is standing near the edge of abyss, called civil war, but for my it is worse that the situation in which Europe were in your so called "romanticised former glory" times. Because maybe in that times, because of lack of mass destruction weapons, possibility of wars were higher in the territory of Europe, but overall life in that time were more safe and secure than now(yeah maybe they'r eating less or bathing less but they'r not afraid to walk out their homes or speak they mind without being in constant danger to be called and labeled by different virtue-signalizes and send to jail for it), when you can be killed because of wrong religious, political believes and skin color. The thing's that you brought are minor problems which can be solved by truly democratic government of majority, but immigration problem and war of civilizations are under our doorsteps and you must be blind, ignorant or leftist cultural Marxist to not be able to see, feel or understand this. By the way the main problem isn't the immigration as idea or action ,but the people who are immigrating, if you're bringing in people within your own cultural-civilizational areal, there is no problem, but when you're bringing in people from devastatingly different cultural area, who's believes are in 360 degrees different than yours, then this is huge problem. Populists are winning not because economical situation is turning to bad (it is but it isn't that significant to be able to upset majority of native europeans), or because of centralization of power (it is a problem, when this power is abusive and are anti-national) but most of all because of conflict between understanding of the world in which your statement "growing gap in understanding between the elites and the populace" can be placed wary well! What about post nationalism it is quiet funny, in the big countries of western Europe nationalism is dead(I think the nationalism you are mentioning it is national-socialism and fascism), today's nationalism is basically isolationism and conservatism based on TRUE European values , such as, nation, heritage, family and protection of you cultural-ideological values. Of course the Europe that I dream to see it's hard thing to achieve because of the brainwashing that taken place on Europeans after ww2 , when they being demonized by elites who accept and embraced Marxism in all of its ugliness, who forced native population of europeans to believe in so called "white guilt", by making them Racist, and forcing the idea that their traditional values and cultural heritage is racism, and if you're resisting leftist utopia that they are building so called internationalism and multiculturalism you're racist. The situation is so devastating that police now would set free or ignore colored , non christian(99% of times muslim) predator's who're raping, killing or spreading violence only because if they do not, they would be called racist and chauvinist (you can add homo,islamo,reptilodio phobic).
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-new- ... SKCN1LI003
https://sputniknews.com/europe/20180905 ... m-funding/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... n-despite/
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/call ... -6ff3t2nxx
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/10/pro-m ... in-france/
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ba10 ... e3c63abd14
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/a ... madan.html

This is the main problem no the, money or so called nationalism, people in Germany raise up against Merkell not because they have no money, job or other material thing but because they brother German were brutally murdered by brought day light by this migrants (from North Africa), and this all was covered by main-stream media and government.
For me closed, civilizationally monogamous european countries are far more better than today's horrendous Europe that "peacefully" were created by leftist.
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Tommm, you are not listening to what I'm saying and assuming too much about what I actually mean.

When I say nationalism, I do mean just nationalism. When I say post-nationalism, I mean the ideology that guides the EU project where the various European nations are supposed to submit their national identity and sovereignty beneath the "common" European identity and sovereign super-government.

Please try to argue against what I am actually saying and not what you assume I'm saying. It would also help if you could try to be a little bit cooler headed about the issue. You probably wouldn't make simple mistakes like "who's believes are in 360 degrees different than yours". (360 degrees is the same direction)

What exactly is this coming civil war in Europe you are talking about?

If immigration is the sole problem why then did the negative effects of said immigration that you complain about only really surface very recently and not earlier in the 60 years of said immigration you mentioned?
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Tommm, you are not listening to what I'm saying and assuming too much about what I actually mean
I'm trying but your talking with vague words and terms.
When I say nationalism, I do mean just nationalism. When I say post-nationalism, I mean the ideology that guides the EU project where the various European nations are supposed to submit their national identity and sovereignty beneath the "common" European identity and sovereign super-government.

Please try to argue against what I am actually saying and not what you assume I'm saying.
They try to clear your thought , then maybe your opponent will be able to understand you and answer you decently.
What about your issue, this problem began when EU started to became political and military organization instead of being economical as it started, problem worsened when EU started to act like USSR, by taking more power and independence and abusing it by his globalist anti-national agenda(not listening to actual complains if it's members and many people in other spectrum of politics, buy shutting them down as racist and nazis) , if it wasn't the issue no one would complains ans they don't back when this organization was created.
What exactly is this coming civil war in Europe you are talking about?

If immigration is the sole problem why then did the negative effects of said immigration that you complain about only really surface very recently and not earlier in the 60 years of said immigration you mentioned?
Because in the 1960-s
1) The amount of immigrants that were coming were different.
2) The people who're immigrating were different than those who came in 1990-s and is coming till today
3) Cultural and geopolitical situation withing Europe(before so called sexual revolution and fall of the traditional, pure, European heritage) was vastly different than what it is today(in 1950-s and beginning of 1960-s European governments were protecting actual Europeans and their rights, putting the rights of natives above thous who came as intruder, not like now when arab/muslim migrants can rape nearly 10 years and more thousands of children in England an stay unpunished because police are afraid to be called racist if the try to jail this bastards)
4)People after big war were different and more idealistic/brainwashed and were believing that by helping this newcomers from magreb, arabia, pakistan, afganistan and turky they are making right thing without thoughts of consequences of their actions(this point must be actually separated to be into 2 points but I put it in one adding brainwashing too).
5)Ideological problems must count too, there were no competition within Europe despite being left, more left and communist, but because population were monogamists at beginning it wasn't big issue until leftist started to abandon the natives and workers pushed by Cultural-Marxist agenda which would always try to find "oppressed". They fount those in sexual minorities and feminists, but whey they achieved they goals they turn they view towards new "oppressed" immigrants from "oppressed" islamistic countries by that gaining more voters, for exchange for more benefits and unique laws for them, which were giving them cart-blanch for pretty much everything, they even created identity politics which became weapon in their hand to crush and exterminate everyone who dared to express their opposite/negative view towards they politics.
6)Historical processes are like stream of a river, not a waterfall, and like law of physic every action have his counteraction and consequences, but those would come only after long time, not at first, like when you're having sex with HIV infected person, you wouldn't care same illness after first sexual act, but if you repeated this act again and again without taking counteractions and preventing to illness to spread, in the end you would end up being HIV bearer. Same goes to immigration 50000 thousand obedient and culturally assimilated arabs in the 1960-s is not the same as 2018-s 6-7 mln hateful, intransigent, brainwashed, culturally separated, hostile mass. Considering the green card that they were given by leftists globalist elites and using "religious" and "humanistic" rights, calling everyone as racist (term changed horrendously from one thing in 1950-s to another in 2018), fascist and nationalist (like this is bad thing) shutting opponents , putting them in prison (laws about "hate crime" and "mem's" in EU e.t.c), you can't imagine something like this in 1950-1960-s. In that period of time you cant hide death cults under terms of "religion", buy killing thousands and covering it up with the tales and lies. Now you can, when you let someone hit you and spit on you, pretending after that it never happened or it was not really hit or split, the perpetrator would push it more and more until he swallow you whole, this wasn't possible in 1950-s not in terms of mass culture not in terms of low(as low of right and as low of society), but not now.
This is basic logic and common sense, ad if you're thinking that I'm emotional then I just can say that this is core of my person and I'm not changing soon or ever, but event thou I'm emotional I know I'm right and I would stand for my believes till death.
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:28 pm

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Tommm, you are not listening to what I'm saying and assuming too much about what I actually mean
I'm trying but your talking with vague words and terms.
I've gone back over my last few posts relating to this particular discussion and I'm having trouble finding there vague words and terms you speak of.
Could you give me some examples of what you mean?
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When I say nationalism, I do mean just nationalism. When I say post-nationalism, I mean the ideology that guides the EU project where the various European nations are supposed to submit their national identity and sovereignty beneath the "common" European identity and sovereign super-government.

Please try to argue against what I am actually saying and not what you assume I'm saying.
They try to clear your thought , then maybe your opponent will be able to understand you and answer you decently.
Like I said, I haven't really found what I was unclear about, but it would be nice of you as an honest interlocutor to ask what I mean if you are unsure as opposed to just assume what I'm talking about to suit your fancy.
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What about your issue, this problem began when EU started to became political and military organization instead of being economical as it started, problem worsened when EU started to act like USSR, by taking more power and independence and abusing it by his globalist anti-national agenda(not listening to actual complains if it's members and many people in other spectrum of politics, buy shutting them down as racist and nazis) , if it wasn't the issue no one would complains ans they don't back when this organization was created.
I'm going to have to ask you to rephrase this a bit, as I don't understand what you are getting at here. It starts as a question and ends as a summation of my issues with how the current state of the EU, of sorts.

Assuming that you are trying to draw parallels between my issues with the EU and my asking you why immigration only became an issue recently if it started back in the 1960s, the problems that are severely impacting Europe today due to how the EU functions today evolved over time and were not even present at the beginnings of it.
There were no indications at the time of the coal and steel community or during the EEC times that as today they would be attempting to create a United States of Europe type of organization. The current state of affairs roughly started around 2004 and really gained ground post 2008 crash.
Things changed and that's when the problems arose.


Along those lines, in your 6 points you mentioned you basically say that immigration in the 1960s and immigration in the 1990s/2014 were considerably different and that earlier there was an expectation of assimilation to the host nation's culture and laws that is today waved off as "racist". Do you still stand behind the statement that 60 years of immigration are the sole cause of all of Europe's problems?

Related to this, if an immigrant from wherever assimilates to the country he immigrates to, adopts the cultural standards of the host nation and obeys the laws, is this still a problem? To be clear, I'm talking hypothetically, so don't come at me with examples of this and that, just argue the question itself.
The immigrant came from a country with a different culture, but has assimilated to the host nations culture and laws and isn't trying to change anything about either. Is this acceptable or is it still a problem in your view?

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This is basic logic and common sense, ad if you're thinking that I'm emotional then I just can say that this is core of my person and I'm not changing soon or ever, but event thou I'm emotional I know I'm right and I would stand for my believes till death.
Only zealots "know" with absolute certainty that they are right, Tommm. An honest and inquiring mind should always keep itself open the the possibility that everything you know could be wrong.
This doesn't mean that you need to abandon your beliefs or that they are necessarily wrong, but you should question them as well, not cling to them like a holy and unquestionable truth, if for no other reason but to be able to better argue in their favour.

I don't have a problem with you being emotional about issues that you care about or your beliefs, even if I disagree with them. What I am asking you is to try to argue your beliefs more dispassionately, so that you can craft better arguments and make fewer very simple mistakes. It should also help with mutual understanding as I think your hot-headedness is the real source of any misunderstanding as opposed to me using some supposed vague terminology.


To end, could you please elaborate more on this European civil war we are heading towards you mentioned?
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Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:58 am

This is utterly shameful.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rules.html
Woman’s conviction in Austria for calling the Prophet Mohammed a paedophile did not breach her right to free speech, European Court of Human Rights rules
Fuck the ECHR and every other court that was involved in this decision. They are shameful fascistic institutions if they legitimately make decisions like this.

There is either free speech or state sanctioned speech. If you can only speak what the state allows you to speak or be punished legally, you do not have freedom of speech.
This also extends to non-state actors policing what you can or cannot say, be it social media monopolies banning you or groups of people beating or killing you for it.
In a statement on Thursday the ECHR said: 'The Court found in particular that the domestic courts comprehensively assessed the wider context of the applicant’s statements and carefully balanced her right to freedom of expression with the right of others to have their religious feelings protected, and served the legitimate aim of preserving religious peace in Austria.'
This is bullshit. There is no right to have your religious feelings protected or there shouldn't be nor should a much more important and fundamental right such as the freedom to express your opinions, regardless of who they may or may not offend, be "balanced" against it.

The argument that it is preserving "religious peace" is also bullshit. This argument insinuates that either the Austrian citizens as a whole are violent lunatics just waiting for an excuse to start murdering people of the wrong religion or that the people of a certain religion are so emotionally fragile and uncivilized that they will immediately jump to violence if their religious "feelings" are insulted.


There are certain zealous religious people who consider atheists to be abominations that offend their religious "feelings". Should the state now jail or murder every fucking atheist it can find just to protect these people's "religious feelings"?
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:04 pm

why is this thread never necroed for anything good or fun?

anyway, currently there is a wide reaching moral panic and subsequent censoring of anything possibly related to lolicon (pervy drawings of supposedly underage characters) to the point that steam is even banning games that have a school setting just to be safe, but at the same time as this "think of the fictional children" panic is going on, the same groups that are pushing for that censorship are celebrating drag-kids...

and yet nobody understands why there is an upsurge in support for conservatism or anti-establishment populism.
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:50 pm

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Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:28 pm
TOMMM wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:10 pm
Tommm, you are not listening to what I'm saying and assuming too much about what I actually mean
I'm trying but your talking with vague words and terms.
I've gone back over my last few posts relating to this particular discussion and I'm having trouble finding there vague words and terms you speak of.
Could you give me some examples of what you mean?
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When I say nationalism, I do mean just nationalism. When I say post-nationalism, I mean the ideology that guides the EU project where the various European nations are supposed to submit their national identity and sovereignty beneath the "common" European identity and sovereign super-government.

Please try to argue against what I am actually saying and not what you assume I'm saying.
They try to clear your thought , then maybe your opponent will be able to understand you and answer you decently.
Like I said, I haven't really found what I was unclear about, but it would be nice of you as an honest interlocutor to ask what I mean if you are unsure as opposed to just assume what I'm talking about to suit your fancy.
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:10 pm
What about your issue, this problem began when EU started to became political and military organization instead of being economical as it started, problem worsened when EU started to act like USSR, by taking more power and independence and abusing it by his globalist anti-national agenda(not listening to actual complains if it's members and many people in other spectrum of politics, buy shutting them down as racist and nazis) , if it wasn't the issue no one would complains ans they don't back when this organization was created.
I'm going to have to ask you to rephrase this a bit, as I don't understand what you are getting at here. It starts as a question and ends as a summation of my issues with how the current state of the EU, of sorts.

Assuming that you are trying to draw parallels between my issues with the EU and my asking you why immigration only became an issue recently if it started back in the 1960s, the problems that are severely impacting Europe today due to how the EU functions today evolved over time and were not even present at the beginnings of it.
There were no indications at the time of the coal and steel community or during the EEC times that as today they would be attempting to create a United States of Europe type of organization. The current state of affairs roughly started around 2004 and really gained ground post 2008 crash.
Things changed and that's when the problems arose.


Along those lines, in your 6 points you mentioned you basically say that immigration in the 1960s and immigration in the 1990s/2014 were considerably different and that earlier there was an expectation of assimilation to the host nation's culture and laws that is today waved off as "racist". Do you still stand behind the statement that 60 years of immigration are the sole cause of all of Europe's problems?

Related to this, if an immigrant from wherever assimilates to the country he immigrates to, adopts the cultural standards of the host nation and obeys the laws, is this still a problem? To be clear, I'm talking hypothetically, so don't come at me with examples of this and that, just argue the question itself.
The immigrant came from a country with a different culture, but has assimilated to the host nations culture and laws and isn't trying to change anything about either. Is this acceptable or is it still a problem in your view?

TOMMM wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:10 pm
This is basic logic and common sense, ad if you're thinking that I'm emotional then I just can say that this is core of my person and I'm not changing soon or ever, but event thou I'm emotional I know I'm right and I would stand for my believes till death.
Only zealots "know" with absolute certainty that they are right, Tommm. An honest and inquiring mind should always keep itself open the the possibility that everything you know could be wrong.
This doesn't mean that you need to abandon your beliefs or that they are necessarily wrong, but you should question them as well, not cling to them like a holy and unquestionable truth, if for no other reason but to be able to better argue in their favour.

I don't have a problem with you being emotional about issues that you care about or your beliefs, even if I disagree with them. What I am asking you is to try to argue your beliefs more dispassionately, so that you can craft better arguments and make fewer very simple mistakes. It should also help with mutual understanding as I think your hot-headedness is the real source of any misunderstanding as opposed to me using some supposed vague terminology.


To end, could you please elaborate more on this European civil war we are heading towards you mentioned?
Related to this, if an immigrant from wherever assimilates to the country he immigrates to, adopts the cultural standards of the host nation and obeys the laws, is this still a problem? To be clear, I'm talking hypothetically, so don't come at me with examples of this and that, just argue the question itself.
The immigrant came from a country with a different culture, but has assimilated to the host nations culture and laws and isn't trying to change anything about either. Is this acceptable or is it still a problem in your view?
No there isn't problem if immigrant are from the same civilizational space as the country he immigrates. Thus , muslims can't and WON'T integrate no matter what you do, you believe that helping another man to stand on hes feet are a good thing worthy to by you a ticket on heaven, they believe that if they kill non believer they would have thus ticked to their haven with 75 virgin girls and underage boys to have eternal pleasure. You believe that helping you enemy and forgiving him would made you better person, they believe that eating pork meet are heavier sin that killing thousands nonbelievers. You believe that woman have rights they believe in this Image sot integrating aren't about them whatsoever.
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:10 pm
This is basic logic and common sense, ad if you're thinking that I'm emotional then I just can say that this is core of my person and I'm not changing soon or ever, but event thou I'm emotional I know I'm right and I would stand for my believes till death.
Only zealots "know" with absolute certainty that they are right, Tommm. An honest and inquiring mind should always keep itself open the the possibility that everything you know could be wrong.
This doesn't mean that you need to abandon your beliefs or that they are necessarily wrong, but you should question them as well, not cling to them like a holy and unquestionable truth, if for no other reason but to be able to better argue in their favour.

I don't have a problem with you being emotional about issues that you care about or your beliefs, even if I disagree with them. What I am asking you is to try to argue your beliefs more dispassionately, so that you can craft better arguments and make fewer very simple mistakes. It should also help with mutual understanding as I think your hot-headedness is the real source of any misunderstanding as opposed to me using some supposed vague terminology.
Open minded? I'm open minded but not towards evil in core and towards degradation such as Image, but our common scene are so different that something you are willing to be open minded I would never be , even under treat to be killed.
p.s Forgive me my late answer, I weren't concentrate and missed you answer to my comment above.
To end, could you please elaborate more on this European civil war we are heading towards you mentioned?
What you want to hear?
Europe now (western Europe in the first place) is divided between nationalist-patriots who stands for the roots also their native identity/culture, and between coalition of globalist-leftist scum who are deliberately, knowingly brainwashing Europeans since 1945 and filling Europe with invaders of foreign culture. Why femonacis never targeting islam ? Why "progressives" never calling to invaders to stop breeding, because there are (in their sick mind) too much of us, why they didn't try to address this to Indians, Chinese , or big fast growing muslim countries like Bangladesh, Indonesia or Pakistan. Why they suppressing free speech for nearly halve decade and now they are doing that in KGB methods and they even being proud of it as if they're pretending "free speech" by creating anti free speech laws and the term"hate speech" which is retarded thing it the first place. Why are they demonizing every man who have not "right" view in political spectrum, even sinking super low by teaching kids hate and not tolerate other kids and people who have different opinion which isn't approved by the mainstream propaganda? Why they are trying to push foreign religions on people calling it "future of Europe" also forcing everyone to accept it? But when you do try to do the same towards newcomers(aka INVADERS) you are racist? Why are globalists spending trillions of euros to support and feed future terrorists , but didn't give a shit to a native homeless people , even worse trying to cut even the little they have and give this to foreigners(in Germany thousands of students and elders were forced to leave their rented communal houses because government don't know where to place hordes immigrants), no INVADERS? Why they are trying to change history? By using "history channels", "scientific channels", mass media, TV and other live or not press. Why they are refusing to accept another big media-holding who would give another perspective to people, why they are shutting even the news-channels of their opponents even in internet (infowars situation) ? Why are they deliberately ignoring rightful complains and shutting the critics ? Why they are accepting former mass murderers and hate preachers such as Linda Sarsore, but shutting people like Walders or Tommy Robinson? Why are they occupied university's and force on them their political agenda and by those killing free speech! University's purpose of existing by the way are change of free thoughts and free discussion of problematic issues. This all came to my mind when I just tried to remember the important things first. This all are the questions that normal, adequate people of Europe are asking to themselves, but incited of respectful answer , they are chased, jailed persecuted, just because of different view on things. Considering that they event would false election's to get their power, this would force big number of people to take more harsh actions to defend their rights and freedoms. Fall of new Rome(Wersterm European civilization based on symbioses of Christianity and Roman right) are near, but instead of Goth's, vandals and franks who accepted and after Renaissance upgraded Roman culture and heritage, this new invaders would turn it all into ashes. How I say muslim will never integrate, islam is ideology of always conquering state , which are in the state of permanent war. So don't try to compere them to previous invader who came and integrated, they are exception.
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"Sweden stats from 2017.

34,4% of women in the ages of 16-24 states that they have been victims of a sexual crime. ONE THIRD!

Robberies have DOUBLED since 2014.
https://www.bra.se/download/18.62c6cfa2 ... n_2018.pdf"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/0 ... respected/
This people would never integrate, by so creating flames for civil war, because natives wouldn't be eager to live under sharia law.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:38 pm


here yet another awesome video about European multicultural "paradise", you would never see this on your TV. But we must close our eyes and preach "everything is great", how I say civil war or submission to invaders, there is no 3-rd option.
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:29 am

https://www.infowars.com/french-green-p ... n6dg8H-oDY
According to the co-founder of the French Green Party, benefits for native European families should be removed in order to encourage them to have less children so that more room can be made for Muslim migrants.
This is sooo tolerant, I can't imagine why native french people are upset about this.
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:10 am

https://www.huckmag.com/art-and-culture ... rag-queen/
The Left’s sexualization of young children continues.

How long before we see liberals arguing the age of consent should be lowered to 9 or 10?
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:49 am

https://www.theunitedwest.org/2019/01/0 ... olar-says/

You can live with wild predators with piece, such as tigers and lions, but never with mad dog's.
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