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Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:54 pm

This video talks about how the news (on both sides though the left controls way more of the mainstream media) thrives of this division. Also a good video because your hearing from both conservatives and a progressive. I found it interesting and it made me think which is rather refreshing:

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Just another little thought. Everyone makes mistakes but the most successful people admit it, learn from them and move on.
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Oh this is delicious! :grin:

Hollywood's identity crisis: Actors, writers and producers warn of 'reverse racism' in the film industry which has created a 'toxic' climate for anyone who is a white, middle-age man

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A revolution is under way. White actors are being fired. Edicts from studio bosses make it clear that only minorities – racial and sexual – can be given jobs.

A new wave of what has been termed by some as anti-white prejudice is causing writers, directors and producers to fear they will never work again. One described the current atmosphere as 'more toxic than Chernobyl', with leading actors afraid to speak out amid concern they will be labelled racist.
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Peele is more vocal than most about his hiring policy, but his outlook is increasingly widespread. Dozens of producers, writers and actors have spoken to The Mail on Sunday about the wave of 'reverse racism' pulsing through the industry.

speaking on condition of anonymity, the executive confirmed that the climate is now toxic for any 'white, middle-aged man in showbusiness'. Their careers, 'are pretty much over'.

They continued: 'We're only hiring people of colour, women or LGBT to write, star, produce, operate the cameras, work in craft services. If you are white, you can't speak out because you will instantly be branded 'racist' or condemned for 'white privilege'.
Oh no! Who could have possibly seen this coming?! :scared:
An actor in his 50s who has worked on some of the biggest shows of the past 20 years described how, during a recent audition, the casting director told him he was 'perfect for the part' but that they had been instructed to hire 'a person of colour' for the role. 'I get it, I really do,' the actor said.

'I understand Hollywood still has a long way to go before people of colour are properly represented on screen but how am I supposed to pay my mortgage, put food on the table? Everyone is terrified. And you can't say anything because then you set yourself up for public crucifixion.'
Well, tough tities. You just agreed to their moral values right there. You have no right to complain about anything. Guess you'll just have to learn to code or something.
Dismissing such complaints, however quietly expressed, Selma director Ava DuVernay, now one of the most powerful black women in Hollywood, wrote on Twitter: 'Everyone has a right to their opinion. And we – black producers with hiring power – have the right not to hire those who diminish us.

'So, to the white men in this thread… if you don't get that job you were up for, kindly remember… bias can go both ways. This is 2020 speaking.'
That sounds perfectly noble and not at all vengeful.
It might seem an irony, then, that Hollywood has long been seen as the heart of liberal America. Leading figures from the industry have a reputation for lecturing the world on issues of human rights, diversity and the environment, from George Clooney's campaign to end the genocide in Darfur to Leonardo DiCaprio's missives on global warming.

But 'wokeness' is not only increasingly pervasive, it seems impossible to navigate. Killing Eve's Jodie Comer – celebrated for playing a bisexual assassin – last week faced intense criticism on social media for dating US sportsman James Burke, said to be a card-carrying Trump supporter, solely on the basis that he supported the President.

And Halle Berry had to apologise for 'considering' taking on the role of a transgender man in a forthcoming film project (instead of leaving it to a real transgender man).

Such is the culture shift that one studio is now preparing to shoot a film with an all-black cast and crew – a project which should normally give cause for celebration.
But when a white woman, a highly respected executive, was tasked to 'oversee' the production on location, she was told she would receive no on-screen credit.
Imagine that, now that it's finally biting them in the ass, now it's problematic. Back when normal people were suffering the same and worse, it was just treatment for bigots.
'We're sending this woman, who is brilliant, to run things on the ground. But she won't get any title credit. People won't admit it, they can't admit it, but reverse racism is definitely going on. You could argue that it's a good thing, that this swinging of the pendulum so far the other way is only fair after years of white privilege. But at what cost? Surely it is best for everyone if people are hired on the basis of talent and ability? I can tell you, we are hiring people based purely on their ethnicity, gender and social-media profiles.
Oh, now meritocracy is a good thing? Now it's not just a code word for alt-right capitalism?


... And so on and so on. This became a dead horse beating multiple paragraphs ago, but I just can help it. The Schadenfreude is just to sweet.

To be clear, on matter of personal principle, I do not agree with what's happening, but I do revel in these people getting hoisted by their own petard, which is justice of its own kind, in a way.

I'm only truly sorry for people like DJ's husband who are going to be caught in the crossfire, through no fault of their own.
I agree with you 100% here. These idiots shouldn't be complaining since this is what they were pushing for the entire time...only now are they realizing where it's leading and changing their tune. Just the use of the term "reverse racism" tells you all you need to know.
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It's funny because it's true
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:39 pm

It warms my heart a bit that for the most part the internet has come together to recoil in horror from a movie about 11 year old girls twerking. Makes me feel a little better about humanity in general.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:34 pm

ofc, hollywood is either silent or defending this piece of trash.



These ofc being the same hypocritical cocksuckers who are leaving LA over the very same things they were promoting not a few months ago.

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It was only a matter of time...it's only going to get worse.
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Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:57 am



Wonder how long it will take these riot cities to go down the drain like Detroit...


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What in the fuck?!

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Any thoughts on Trump wanting to introduce "patriotic" education to children? Espacially from our American members?
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Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:28 pm

I'm not sure how much influence that could have in this day and age, given how connected kids are to the internet and each other these days. Still an awful idea, but I'm not that big of a fan of the US's current education system. Or justice system either.
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Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:38 pm

Trump is only trying to combat the factually inaccurate and socially damaging 1619 project that the left wants to be taught to children in schools. Honestly I am sick of all the crappy social indoctrination happening in public schools. Kids need to hear all sides and perspectives and need to be taught to think critically and not just told what they should think. Our public schools are failing and honestly no one in politics really cares about the real problems or has any real solutions.
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I'm a bit puzzled as to how he could actually make it work, since neither he nor the commission really have the authority to force any curriculum on any school or university, right?
In the end, aren't the president's powers in these matters mostly limited to deciding what to fund and what not to fund?

I don't really see a problem with patriotic education and certainly don't see what makes patriotic=fascist, as some in the media have implied or outright stated.
I would prefer ideologically neutral, but since it is not the case, I see no problem with infusing a counter-perspective/ideology to the one currently dominating education and churning out activists and troublemakers, rather than citizens, workers and academics.
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Can anyone actually tell me whats so wrong about the 1619 project in a more detailed way other than "its factually inaccurate" and "socially damaging"? It certainly wasn´t the only topic Trump ranted about...

I don´t find your defense of Trumps plans particulary convincing...Americans are already patriotic enough. Now forcing this down childrens throats will only create more problems, or rather lead to those already existing not being fixed. :x
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Can anyone actually tell me whats so wrong about the 1619 project in a more detailed way other than "its factually inaccurate" and "socially damaging"?
Is that not enough?
should one take those quotation marks around those words as you arrogantly dismissing them as incorrect, because that's what it comes off as to me seeing as I often do so myself?

I think that the notion that the US history "truly" began (*see what I mean about the quotation marks*") when the first slave was brought to the US and that slavery is the basis of the american state is a whole lot more damaging than promoting the values enshrined in the Constituition and amendments, imperfect though they may be.
At least one of these does not instill a self-loathing attitude into your citizenry and a vengeful fury into a certain segment of it.

It is basically like implying that German history "truly" starts in 1933 and that national-socialism is at the very core of the german state and being german or that russian history "truly" begins in 1917 and that communism is at the core of the russian state and being russian, which now that I think about it, is not that far off from common "wisdom" in many parts of the world these days.
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I don´t find your defense of Trumps plans particulary convincing...Americans are already patriotic enough.
I don't really think you are in much of a position to be the judge of that.
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Now forcing this down childrens throats will only create more problems, or rather lead to those already existing not being fixed. :x
Perhaps, but seeing as that is already the case from the other direction, this criticism falls quite flat. All the flatter considering the current riots and arson and murders connected to them.
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And a bit of a tangent; The older and more experienced i get the more I can appreciate this quote:

“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”
― George Orwell

I swear, cloistered academics can be the dumbest smart people on the planet.
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Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:42 pm

should one take those quotation marks around those words as you arrogantly dismissing them as incorrect, because that's what it comes off as to me seeing as I often do so myself?
No, I want to hear what is factually wrong about this project and what is socially damaging.

I think that the notion that the US history "truly" began (*see what I mean about the quotation marks*") when the first slave was brought to the US and that slavery is the basis of the american state is a whole lot more damaging than promoting the values enshrined in the Constituition and amendments, imperfect though they may be.
At least one of these does not instill a self-loathing attitude into your citizenry and a vengeful fury into a certain segment of it.
Are Americans really that emotionally weak that they can´t take a historical narrative that emphasizes the suffering of black people? They must be terribly embarrased about their past. Self criticism isn´t self loathing.
It is basically like implying that German history "truly" starts in 1933 and that national-socialism is at the very core of the german state and being german or that russian history "truly" begins in 1917 and that communism is at the core of the russian state and being russian, which now that I think about it, is not that far off from common "wisdom" in many parts of the world these days.
Well, it seems that in Americas case you at least can make the argument. Nobody in their right mind would claim that Germany is all about facism and Russia Communism today.
I don't really think you are in much of a position to be the judge of that.
Why not? No offense, but that Americans are espacially proud of themselves isn´t exactly a secret. I think Trump called it the most equal and fair country in the world.
Perhaps, but seeing as that is already the case from the other direction, this criticism falls quite flat. All the flatter considering the current riots and arson and murders connected to them.
You seem to place a lot of blame for these riots on academia. I blame it more on the people murdering black Americans.
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should one take those quotation marks around those words as you arrogantly dismissing them as incorrect, because that's what it comes off as to me seeing as I often do so myself?
No, I want to hear what is factually wrong about this project and what is socially damaging.
I've given you my understanding of what's wrong with it. maybe someone else has more patience to give you a more thorough explanation, provided you don't dismiss the sources as biased.

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Are Americans really that emotionally weak that they can´t take a historical narrative that emphasizes the suffering of black people? They must be terribly embarrased about their past. Self criticism isn´t self loathing.
First of all, glass houses, my friend.

Recognizing the mistakes of the past and correcting them is self-criticism. Spinning a yarn about how you were born in sin and therefore wear, are and forever will be evil isn't.
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Well, it seems that in Americas case you at least can make the argument. Nobody in their right mind would claim that Germany is all about facism and Russia Communism today.
Then please make said argument that America is all about slavery today.
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I don't really think you are in much of a position to be the judge of that.
Why not? No offense,...
None taken.
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...but that Americans are espacially proud of themselves isn´t exactly a secret. I think Trump called it the most equal and fair country in the world.
You are heavily generalizing and stereotyping here. there is also a very loud contingent of America (and the world) that thinks the country is filled with nothing but and is systematically bigoted, racist, sexist, xenophobic, imperialistic, etc. etc.
Neither extreme view is true.

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You seem to place a lot of blame for these riots on academia. I blame it more on the people murdering black Americans.
I blame the people committing the riots, looting, violence and murder. Academia and media is responsible for whipping these people into a frenzy for their own cynical political goals, iike the useful idiots that they are.

And what back americans are being murdered exactly? Geroge Floyd, the career criminal cocaine dealer who once held a pregnant black woman at gunpoint while he was robbing her house, who coincidentally died of a heart attack and was high as balls during the incident? How about that other fucker who got shot 7 times after the cops were called on him for assaulting a woman, who fought with the cops beforehand and then proceeded to grab a knife from the car before they finally opened fire?

Or are you talking about Secoriea Turner, the 8 year old black girl who was killed in Atlanta when some BLM/Antifa cocksuckers opened fire on the car her father was driving and hit her? Or how about the two black teeangers who were similarly killed by BLM/Antifa in the Chaz while joy-riding in their car?

Got anything at all to say about Korboi "KB" Balla, a black former firefighter who invested all his lfie-savings into opening a sports bar, which was his dream, only for looters to destroy everything?

What about the 30+ dead as a result of these BLM bullshit riots? what about that one charred body they found in a burnt down building in Minneapolis during the Geroge Floyd riots?

Yeah, I had to look up their names, but at least I heard of this. Did you? and if you did, how can you still honestly tow that line?

I believe I've already mentioned Jessica Doty-Whitaker previously in this thread, the 23 year old mother of a 3-year oldwho was shot in the back for saying "all lives matter".


How the does any death, let alone the death of a miserable criminal, justify the wanton destruction of countless people's lives and livelihoods? If they had had the balls to try and attack and torch police and government buildings exclusively and then get shot for it in the process, maybe then they'd have some kind of a point, but attacking other civilians to "protest" police brutality is the mark of a person fucked in the head.
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I've given you my understanding of what's wrong with it. maybe someone else has more patience to give you a more thorough explanation, provided you don't dismiss the sources as biased.
I would like that. An honest academic debunking of the project that goes deeper than just „muh leftism is all bad“. I am tired of people putting so much work into their projects and then being dismissed over something like that.
First of all, glass houses, my friend.
I am not embarrased about my countries history.
Recognizing the mistakes of the past and correcting them is self-criticism. Spinning a yarn about how you were born in sin and therefore wear, are and forever will be evil isn't.
But thats not what the 1619 project is trying to accomplish according to my understanding. Highlighting the suffering of black people is not the same as saying the US is and will be „evil“.
Then please make said argument that America is all about slavery today.
I meant you can apparently make the case that American history truly starts with the first slave arriving in the country. Not that America is all about slavery today.
there is also a very loud contingent of America (and the world) that thinks the country is filled with nothing but and is systematically bigoted, racist, sexist, xenophobic, imperialistic, etc. etc.
Maybe. But there is still way too much talk about how great the country allegedly is.
I blame the people committing the riots, looting, violence and murder. Academia and media is responsible for whipping these people into a frenzy for their own cynical political goals, iike the useful idiots that they are.

And what back americans are being murdered exactly? Geroge Floyd, the career criminal cocaine dealer who once held a pregnant black woman at gunpoint while he was robbing her house, who coincidentally died of a heart attack and was high as balls during the incident? How about that other fucker who got shot 7 times after the cops were called on him for assaulting a woman, who fought with the cops beforehand and then proceeded to grab a knife from the car before they finally opened fire?

Or are you talking about Secoriea Turner, the 8 year old black girl who was killed in Atlanta when some BLM/Antifa cocksuckers opened fire on the car her father was driving and hit her? Or how about the two black teeangers who were similarly killed by BLM/Antifa in the Chaz while joy-riding in their car?

Got anything at all to say about Korboi "KB" Balla, a black former firefighter who invested all his lfie-savings into opening a sports bar, which was his dream, only for looters to destroy everything?

What about the 30+ dead as a result of these BLM bullshit riots? what about that one charred body they found in a burnt down building in Minneapolis during the Geroge Floyd riots?

Yeah, I had to look up their names, but at least I heard of this. Did you? and if you did, how can you still honestly tow that line?

I believe I've already mentioned Jessica Doty-Whitaker previously in this thread, the 23 year old mother of a 3-year oldwho was shot in the back for saying "all lives matter".


How the does any death, let alone the death of a miserable criminal, justify the wanton destruction of countless people's lives and livelihoods? If they had had the balls to try and attack and torch police and government buildings exclusively and then get shot for it in the process, maybe then they'd have some kind of a point, but attacking other civilians to "protest" police brutality is the mark of a person fucked in the head.
Oh my god. Do I really need to untangle everything here? Sorry, but I will just focus on Floyd... for now at least. Yes, he had a criminal record. But he did try to reform. He did not rob a pregnant women at gunpoint from what I´ve read, and it is not proven that he was „high as balls“ during the incident alltough he may still have had some drug in his system. Narratives like that serve to shift the blame away from the police and dehumanize/caricaturize the real victim.
and if you did, how can you still honestly tow that line
What line do I tow? I get the impression you are misunderstanding me here.
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I am tired of people putting so much work into their projects and then being dismissed over something like that.
Does that extend to people whose projects you disagree with ideologically? You know, creationists back in the day put in a lot of effort too. Didn't really see a lot of "You know, maybe you have a point there" from some of the people whose videos you shared.
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But thats not what the 1619 project is trying to accomplish according to my understanding. Highlighting the suffering of black people is not the same as saying the US is and will be „evil“.
You seriously see nothing insidious with pushing the narrative that American history really begins with slavery and not with the e.g. the first settlers fleeing Europe to live free(r) or when the country gained independence and established itself? Nothing at all wrong wrong with implying that racism, slavery and oppression is woven into the very essence of the country and nation or why that might rub some people the wrong way?
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I meant you can apparently make the case that American history truly starts with the first slave arriving in the country. Not that America is all about slavery today.
Then make it.
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Maybe. But there is still way too much talk about how great the country allegedly is.
and? what's the problem other than being annoying to foreigners?
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Oh my god. Do I really need to untangle everything here?
Start with the 30+ people killed during the riots and all the buildings and businesses that were destroyed. Then we can talk about poor, poor George Floyd in whose name this destruction went down. How convenient that what you've read just so happens to shine a saintly light on him.

Did you also read that the guy who stalked and killed that patriot prayer person was just acting in self defense, even though there is video evidence showing that he waited behind the wall til they passed him, approached them from behind and shot one of the two, before booking it?
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Narratives like that serve to shift the blame away from the police and dehumanize/caricaturize the real victim.
Unlike the narratives that dehumanize and caricaturize the police, right? Narratives that lead to people blinding police officers with high powered lasers, shooting them in the head, throwing molotovs at them and so on and so forth?

The only real victims in all of this are the innocent bystanders who had their lives ruined, destroyed and taken by these violent riots. People who were abandoned to their fate by cowardly politicians who told the police to stand down and let these fucking lunatics run rampant.
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What line do I tow? I get the impression you are misunderstanding me here.
The line about the evil cops murdering poor innocent black men for no reason. Or am I misconstruing this sentence somehow:
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I blame it more on the people murdering black Americans.
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