RadicalLogic wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 5:24 amAs for Nolan, I still hold Batman Begins as one of the better Batman films ever made. The focus on fear and darkness and giving Gotham this gritty, worn-down, crazy-looking metropolis appearance really added to sense of mystery and slight horror that in my opinion all Batman stories should have. Batman should always have a touch of the supernatural to him, even if in the background, it's how his stories work best. The Dark Knight is...OK if you ignore that it's supposed to be a Batman movie and just focus on Heath Ledger's Joker. The Dark Knight Rises was just hot garbage from start to finish and the only good thing that came out of it is Baneposting, which was 4chan mocking Nolan's shitty dialogue in the first place.
I can't believe how many people don't see this. This idea of Batman as some joe schmoe in a Halloween costume has taken such strong roots within people ever since the Nolan movies got popular, which is why I blame Nolan for what's been happening to the character for the past 10 years. I also completely agree on the supernatural elements lurking in the background of Batman's stories. That's how it should always be, but no that's not gritty or realistic enough. I can't even begin to count the number of times I was told that I obviously knew nothing about Batman if I thought his stories should have some supernatural bent to them.
I think the story that cemented the idea of the supernatural belonging in Batman's world in my mind was the Cult. The story ends leaving us unsure of whether what happened was actually the work of an immortal shaman or just a conman using drugs to brainwash people. The supernatural should always be this faint noise in the background that makes you question whether the craziness that happens in Gotham is real or not. Funny how Gotham houses some of the most supernatural elements in the DCU, with entire books like Gotham by Midnight dedicated to the city's paranormal side, and yet Batman continues to be ignorant of it.
Yeah nothing really all that crazy in there. I'm somewhat disappointed. Interesting that the scene with Diana patching up Bruce was in Zack's original cut as well. I could've sworn that was one of Whedon's. Unless the scene is wildly different even though it takes place within a similar context. Snyder's cut seems to not have much Batman overall. That original post credit scene was obviously supposed to set up Batfleck's solo movie. I've seen Deathstroke's actor hinting that the original post credit scene will be restored, which has very interesting implications on Batfleck's future in the DCEU. A couple of years ago I wouldn't have dreamed of talking about Batfleck potentially returning to the DCEU. Crazy times.wrote:Sun May 31, 2020 9:05 amFound a leak of all the original scenes from Justice League before it got Frankenstein'd to hell and back. Take with a grain of salt but a lot of the scenes sound legit since I remember seeing mentions of them from way, way back when JL was first undergoing production troubles. Entire thing copied verbatim, nothing's been altered. POSSIBLE SPOILERS GALORE, READ AT OWN RISK.
Seems kind of harmless, TBH. If true, not sure why WB panicked so much that they put the kibosh on it. I'm guessing the problem was in Snyder's execution.