RadicalLogic wrote: ↑
Sat May 18, 2019 4:25 am
Been a long time, but I'm back!
I'm really iffy on Pattinson. Every other Batman actor, excluding Clooney, I could at least see as Bruce but old Robbie...I genuinely can't. It also doesn't help that from what I've seen, he doesn't actually have that big of a range. And just as a personal thing, his mumbling tone of voice really grates on my ears.
Penguin and Catwoman...Jesus, could they really get any more generic? Why not pick one of Batman's NON-NORMAL foes for a change? Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Man-Bat, Killer Croc, Clayface, Solomon Grundy, Gentleman Ghost, Dr. Phosphorus, Blockbuster, come on! Batman & Robin and Batman Begins were the only two movies to feature villains that weren't completely generic gangsters in gimp outfits, which is ridiculous.
And God, f**k off with Catwoman already...I actually like her character but DC keeps on stripping away everything that makes her remotely interesting and I don't trust them not to Mary Sue her up to the extreme and completely misunderstand what makes her dynamic with Batman work.
Hey man good to have you back.
I've stated my opinion on Pattinson already so no use repeating myself. I agree that the guy doesn't have the looks or the presence to play Bruce. He does give off a Christian Bale vibe which is surely the reason he got cast.
Nolan convinced the entire planet that the only way to do Batman is to go uber realistic, and remove all the comic booky elements from the character, or at least that's the lesson that people took away from his movies. People are idiots who want the same things repackaged and regurgitated back at them endlessly, and WB is tired of misfires and wants sure hits. Essentially redoing Nolan's TDK movies is the safest route to take, at least on a surface level.
I disagree on Catwoman. The problem with DC/WB is not that they don't "get" Catwoman's character, as there's not much about her to get. They keep stripping away from her character because there are really only two things you need to know about her, the first is that she's a thief, and the second is that she's Batman's love interest. The first part is at odds with the second, so one of the two needs to be heavily toned down in order for Catwoman to be in any usable shape.
"She's bad and he's good" is not much of a dynamic, especially when Catwoman's villainy is barely acknowledged anymore to not get in the way of her romance with Batman. Not to mention that there are other characters who provide that same dynamic and do it much better, like Talia before DC completely ruined her character. People only really care about Catwoman's romance with Batman, so DC and WB are doing everything they can to keep that going, and for that both Catwoman's thievery and Bruce's entire character will have to be butchered. This is what people want, it's just that they don't realize the price they're paying for it.
ThatOneGuy wrote: ↑
Sat May 18, 2019 1:26 pm
I am hearing rumors that Penguin and Catwoman won't be the only two villains present in the movie. So that's something. Imagine how good a more Supernatural noir Batman story could be. Reeves could definitely do it 10 Cloverfield was great. Think like Solomon Grundy or Man-Bat or hell The Mad Monk. It would be such a waste to try and chase after Nolan's magic.
I can see Patterson as that sort of Batman, you know long gothic cape more urban myth than masked vigilante always in the shadows that sort of Batman. Oh well, it is what it is.
Pattinson just doesn't have the physical presence that I'd expect from Batman. He looks more like a Robin or Nightwing. A supernatural Batman story would be a dream come true for me, but that's not what DC wants Batman to be, and WB seems to be following suit. The inclusion of Catwoman pretty much kills that chance, especially if they're sticking to a comic book accurate versions of the characters (So no cat resurrection shenanigans). You can't have Catwoman in a story and then have Batman go through something exciting. It will have to be a mob story to accommodate for Catwoman's presence as her complete mundanity would make her stand out like a sore thumb in anything with a hint of the supernatural.
Catwoman is a femme fetale kind of character that you would expect to see in a hard boiled detective story or mob stories, and Batman and his world are neither of those. Sure Batman is a detective and Gotham has mobsters in it, but there's far more to the Batman mythos than just that. As long as DC insists on saddling Batman with Catwoman, you can forget about seeing stories with mystical aspects or Batman solving supernatural cases, meaning that most of Batman's rogues gallery will remain locked away or reporpused for other Bat family members to go against.