How Marvel can get a billion $ box office again.

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How Marvel can get a billion $ box office again.

Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:11 am

Spider-Man doesn't count, because he's still mostly Sony. How they can make a billion with the characters that they own? Simple make a movie where the Hulk beats the shit out of Captain Marvel. It wouldn't be hard. Have Kang show up and have him go and see a combination of the few old returning superheroes of the MCU (Thor, Warmachine, Spider-Man, Guardians ect.) and the new shittier characters no one likes (Eternals, Shang Chi, Female Loki ect.). Then have Kang explain that he's come back in time because the world is destined to be destroyed by the avatar of The-One-Bellow-All, and shows them that it's the Hulk. Argument happens, with the old guard telling Kang to go fuck himself, that the Hulk and Banner is their friend, is an Avenger, and saved half the universe. The newer characters start siding more towards Kang, because they suck. All of a sudden Captain Marvel flies off. Because she's an unlikable bitch with a superiority complex Carol decides to show up at Banner's lab where she finds Bruce (not Professor Hulk, just Banner), then after telling the confused scientist "I'm sorry Dr. Banner," before she rips his heart out.
Then Banner dies...but then a second later his eyes burn bright green, he grabs her arm with his heart in it and snaps the bone as he transforms into THE HULK. The real Hulk, more like the comics Hulk, who then beats the living crap out of her.
The rest of the movie is different heroes taking sides, and it ends with a big dumb battle then someone offs Kang. Kang is a shit villain anyway, even in the original comics, and there is no way that he could be the main conflict in a movie, so this is probably the best they could do with him. Anyway even in this environment, this movie would make them Bank. They would never do this, because it's the opposite direction they've been going in their crap phase 4, but if they did I think it would sell really well.
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Re: How Marvel can get a billion $ box office again.

Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:43 am

Like I already said -

"You don't care about your country going to shit but cry about every time a show etc gets "ruined" by reboots or such. Your not incel man children your babies. At the very least projecting very hard. Expecting creators to powder and wash your ass which you can't do yourself with your "fanfiction". It's like I was expecting to find someone to re do all of Lovecraft classics in our century, only better. Try some self reflection, infant."

This sounds like a horrible, wish fullfilment, kill them all off fanfic. You don´t even bother to make your villain interesting. And honestly, who hates on Shang Chi? Critical Drinker? Yeah, he was wrong, as the actor said himself.
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Re: How Marvel can get a billion $ box office again.

Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:06 pm

Grendle1853 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:11 am
Spider-Man doesn't count, because he's still mostly Sony. How they can make a billion with the characters that they own? Simple make a movie where the Hulk beats the shit out of Captain Marvel. It wouldn't be hard. Have Kang show up and have him go and see a combination of the few old returning superheroes of the MCU (Thor, Warmachine, Spider-Man, Guardians ect.) and the new shittier characters no one likes (Eternals, Shang Chi, Female Loki ect.). Then have Kang explain that he's come back in time because the world is destined to be destroyed by the avatar of The-One-Bellow-All, and shows them that it's the Hulk. Argument happens, with the old guard telling Kang to go fuck himself, that the Hulk and Banner is their friend, is an Avenger, and saved half the universe. The newer characters start siding more towards Kang, because they suck. All of a sudden Captain Marvel flies off. Because she's an unlikable bitch with a superiority complex Carol decides to show up at Banner's lab where she finds Bruce (not Professor Hulk, just Banner), then after telling the confused scientist "I'm sorry Dr. Banner," before she rips his heart out.
Then Banner dies...but then a second later his eyes burn bright green, he grabs her arm with his heart in it and snaps the bone as he transforms into THE HULK. The real Hulk, more like the comics Hulk, who then beats the living crap out of her.
The rest of the movie is different heroes taking sides, and it ends with a big dumb battle then someone offs Kang. Kang is a shit villain anyway, even in the original comics, and there is no way that he could be the main conflict in a movie, so this is probably the best they could do with him. Anyway even in this environment, this movie would make them Bank. They would never do this, because it's the opposite direction they've been going in their crap phase 4, but if they did I think it would sell really well.
Grendle I’ve said on this forum before that this new trend of going woke for super heroes is just like the New 52 a decade ago. After the success of The Dark Knight you had DC and Marvel trying to go all edgy and make radical changes for stunts like the 90s again, except these changes were all “let’s make heroes modern and edgy.” Result 2D characters and crappy contrived storylines. Decade later it’s the same thing with the woke storylines.

“Superman is cool and badass now”=“Superman needs to be deconstructed from his toxic masculinity.”

It runs into the same problem the New 52 learned. You can bring new fans who were never interested in your properties, but you just alienated the old ones and I don’t think the “new fans” digging the characterizations and radical changes stuck around when they tried to reset things again. Same for the current fans.

There’s nothing wrong with updating a character. John Byrne, Frank Miller, and George Perez did a good job of updating the Big Three in the 80’s to fit the modern works. There’s nothing wrong with deconstructing too. Chuck Dixon did an excellent job of turning what would be a marketing stunt with Knightfall as an excellent deconstructing of Bruce Wayne and the Batman. And the end Bruce Wayne emerges as Batman again triumphant by being true to himself. Just making radical changes to make radical changes though is bad writing and hurts fans, whether it is making Superman a douche bag fucking Wonder Woman because she’s the hottest girl on the planet or making him bi-curious or whatever the hell he identifies. Stick with the classics.

You want to update Superman? Maybe Daily Planet is an actual independent news blog now. Clark Kent and Lois start out as rival bloggers. Or one of them is a old school journalist and the other is a blogger. Maybe Kent farm is a farm owned by a larger farm conglomerate and Clark at home has to deal with issues of either dealing with corporate micromanagement of his homestead or watch his beloved farm die away without sponsorship. Maybe Smallville is a small town now ravaged by modern era, NAFTA, fetanyl and opium crisis, and population decline as many kids in the generation either moved out or were killed in the war on terror.

It would keep true to the narrative Superman is the mask and he’s really Clark Kent, the American Everyman and dream from a small town in the heartland and he and Lois are journalists trying to find the truth even if they’re both competitive with each other.
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Re: How Marvel can get a billion $ box office again.

Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:06 pm

theamerican wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:06 pm
Grendle1853 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:11 am
Spider-Man doesn't count, because he's still mostly Sony. How they can make a billion with the characters that they own? Simple make a movie where the Hulk beats the shit out of Captain Marvel. It wouldn't be hard. Have Kang show up and have him go and see a combination of the few old returning superheroes of the MCU (Thor, Warmachine, Spider-Man, Guardians ect.) and the new shittier characters no one likes (Eternals, Shang Chi, Female Loki ect.). Then have Kang explain that he's come back in time because the world is destined to be destroyed by the avatar of The-One-Bellow-All, and shows them that it's the Hulk. Argument happens, with the old guard telling Kang to go fuck himself, that the Hulk and Banner is their friend, is an Avenger, and saved half the universe. The newer characters start siding more towards Kang, because they suck. All of a sudden Captain Marvel flies off. Because she's an unlikable bitch with a superiority complex Carol decides to show up at Banner's lab where she finds Bruce (not Professor Hulk, just Banner), then after telling the confused scientist "I'm sorry Dr. Banner," before she rips his heart out.
Then Banner dies...but then a second later his eyes burn bright green, he grabs her arm with his heart in it and snaps the bone as he transforms into THE HULK. The real Hulk, more like the comics Hulk, who then beats the living crap out of her.
The rest of the movie is different heroes taking sides, and it ends with a big dumb battle then someone offs Kang. Kang is a shit villain anyway, even in the original comics, and there is no way that he could be the main conflict in a movie, so this is probably the best they could do with him. Anyway even in this environment, this movie would make them Bank. They would never do this, because it's the opposite direction they've been going in their crap phase 4, but if they did I think it would sell really well.
Grendle I’ve said on this forum before that this new trend of going woke for super heroes is just like the New 52 a decade ago. After the success of The Dark Knight you had DC and Marvel trying to go all edgy and make radical changes for stunts like the 90s again, except these changes were all “let’s make heroes modern and edgy.” Result 2D characters and crappy contrived storylines. Decade later it’s the same thing with the woke storylines.

“Superman is cool and badass now”=“Superman needs to be deconstructed from his toxic masculinity.”

It runs into the same problem the New 52 learned. You can bring new fans who were never interested in your properties, but you just alienated the old ones and I don’t think the “new fans” digging the characterizations and radical changes stuck around when they tried to reset things again. Same for the current fans.

There’s nothing wrong with updating a character. John Byrne, Frank Miller, and George Perez did a good job of updating the Big Three in the 80’s to fit the modern works. There’s nothing wrong with deconstructing too. Chuck Dixon did an excellent job of turning what would be a marketing stunt with Knightfall as an excellent deconstructing of Bruce Wayne and the Batman. And the end Bruce Wayne emerges as Batman again triumphant by being true to himself. Just making radical changes to make radical changes though is bad writing and hurts fans, whether it is making Superman a douche bag fucking Wonder Woman because she’s the hottest girl on the planet or making him bi-curious or whatever the hell he identifies. Stick with the classics.

You want to update Superman? Maybe Daily Planet is an actual independent news blog now. Clark Kent and Lois start out as rival bloggers. Or one of them is a old school journalist and the other is a blogger. Maybe Kent farm is a farm owned by a larger farm conglomerate and Clark at home has to deal with issues of either dealing with corporate micromanagement of his homestead or watch his beloved farm die away without sponsorship. Maybe Smallville is a small town now ravaged by modern era, NAFTA, fetanyl and opium crisis, and population decline as many kids in the generation either moved out or were killed in the war on terror.

It would keep true to the narrative Superman is the mask and he’s really Clark Kent, the American Everyman and dream from a small town in the heartland and he and Lois are journalists trying to find the truth even if they’re both competitive with each other.
Literally no one said Clark is toxic, he is pretty much the opposite of a toxic male for christ sake. What the fuck are you talking about? 🤣
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