Ghost in a Dorm

[Aztec-08]

Its small scale 'scientists' who dont have anything else to do who actually think they can bring some credibility to unexplained phenomena. If there was actual evidence to be studied, science would have. Its like any other spiritual thing, like god. There is no credible empirical evidence to justify studying it, hence science has never tried to explain it.

[Lordfrieza]

Its small scale 'scientists' who dont have anything else to do who actually think they can bring some credibility to unexplained phenomena. If there was actual evidence to be studied, science would have. Its like any other spiritual thing, like god. There is no credible empirical evidence to justify studying it, hence science has never tried to explain it.

And if you went back before the famous discovery made in 1911 most people would state the study of atoms was meaningless because there was no way of studying it. However Ernest Rutherford proved them wrong with a bit of gold foil.

Perhaps there are things we'll never truly understand, secrets the universe will keep from us, but it isn't going to stop those who want to attempt to discover the reasons why from the attempt. Who knows... one of those small scale scientist may become the next Rutherford. Making a discovery of why some of the unexplained happens. Of course then it would be explained

[Aztec-08]

The difference between atoms and ghosts is that there was actual observable evidence which pointed to the existence of atoms. Chemical reactions, conduction etc all helped create the model of the atom, where as things falling and weird noises are the most solid 'evidence' people have for ghosts, and that hasn't changed for centuries, where as the understanding of an elementary particle increased over time.
Sure, we may not understand a lot of things, but those are things that actually exist or happen. If I see an actual ghost, of course Ill believe it exists even though I might not understand it, but lets actually see one first.

[Chaosmob]

I've watched a lot of those Ghost Hunting shows and the best evidences to date have been EVP's. Most get one word replies that can be explained sometimes as just random noise, but some have been entire conversations. There is some very credible video and picture evidence as well. Also why would people believe in this stuff for thousands of years if it doesn't exists?

[MTVCCVC]

I've watched a lot of those Ghost Hunting shows and the best evidences to date have been EVP's. Most get one word replies that can be explained sometimes as just random noise, but some have been entire conversations. There is some very credible video and picture evidence as well. Also why would people believe in this stuff for thousands of years if it doesn't exists?

People believed in a lot of things for thousands of years and that still doesn't mean that lightning is Zeus farting or rain is angels taking a collective piss.

I mean, people believed, and still do, in many gods for thousands of years now. Does that mean that the Egyptian gods like Amon-Ra, Tot, Anubis, Horus, Set, Sobek, Isis, Osiris are all real and chilling out in heaven with Jesus and/or Zoroaster (etc.)?

Belief is not evidence and is often not even evidence based.

[Chaosmob]

I've watched a lot of those Ghost Hunting shows and the best evidences to date have been EVP's. Most get one word replies that can be explained sometimes as just random noise, but some have been entire conversations. There is some very credible video and picture evidence as well. Also why would people believe in this stuff for thousands of years if it doesn't exists?

People believed in a lot of things for thousands of years and that still doesn't mean that lightning is Zeus farting or rain is angels taking a collective piss.

I mean, people believed, and still do, in many gods for thousands of years now. Does that mean that the Egyptian gods like Amon-Ra, Tot, Anubis, Horus, Set, Sobek, Isis, Osiris are all real and chilling out in heaven with Jesus and/or Zoroaster (etc.)?

Belief is not evidence and is often not even evidence based.

True, but they are finding that what the ancients said was true but current science says isn't might of happened. Like the great flood, ever civilization has a myth of it. The old gods might have been Aliens, which to them they would be gods with there advanced technology. Just because there isn't some experiment to prove something exists doesn't mean it's not real. Hell we know very little about the Universe, like why is the Universe expanding at a increased rate?

[MTVCCVC]

True, but they are finding that what the ancients said was true but current science says isn't might of happened.

um, can you elaborate a bit on this?

Like the great flood, ever civilization has a myth of it.

'Every' civilization of the Old world (Euroasia and Afrika) has a flood myth. Well, the traditional flood myth.
There are other flood myths around the world but they aren't very similar to the standard Noah's flood/Epic of Gilgamesh.

if anything, this is a more impressive study of people documenting extraordinary events in the past and passing them on as cautionary tales that got more mythologized as they were passed on from one person to the next.

after all, huge tidal waves, river floods and tsunamis happen around the world and primitive man's world was very small.
the world is a hell of a lot smaller when you can only really explore a couple 100 kilometers and get back to tell the tale.

Just because there isn't some experiment to prove something exists doesn't mean it's not real.

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence," yes, i know, but you can't just up and declare things to exist because they could exist and there is no point to explaining the unknown with the supernatural, by definition, another unknown.

Hell we know very little about the Universe, like why is the Universe expanding at a increased rate?

I believe scientists are working on figuring that one out. The current best hypothesis (this is an important word) is the concept of dark energy.

Our limited understanding of the Universe does not give us Carte blanche to fill the gaps of our knowledge with untestable and unprovable fanciful stories and mythic ideas.

Believe me, I'd love to have invisible pixies clean my apartment for me.

[Chaosmob]

LOL Invisible pixies.

Yeah Dark Energy makes as much sense to me as Ghosts to you. 90+ percent of the Universe is made up of this stuff yet they can't prove it's existences?

[Aztec-08]

Its hypothetical. Its a model made to fit an observation.

[MTVCCVC]

LOL Invisible pixies.

Yeah Dark Energy makes as much sense to me as Ghosts to you. 90+ percent of the Universe is made up of this stuff yet they can't prove it's existences?

how about this, prove energy exists.

energy is not a thing, per se, though technically matter is a form of energy, or rather a storage of it, in simplified terminology.


you'd be surprised how little sense science can make some times. Well, common sense at least.
Even trained physicist at times have trouble grasping quantum physics.

Hell, gravity, as per Einstein works by warping space around the object.

here's just a small sample:

or another exaple, like I mentioned before in this same thread some time ago (I think), technically solid mater is mostly empty space.

[Lordfrieza]

LOL Invisible pixies.

Yeah Dark Energy makes as much sense to me as Ghosts to you. 90+ percent of the Universe is made up of this stuff yet they can't prove it's existences?

how about this, prove energy exists.

energy is not a thing, per se, though technically matter is a form of energy, or rather a storage of it, in simplified terminology.


you'd be surprised how little sense science can make some times. Well, common sense at least.
Even trained physicist at times have trouble grasping quantum physics.

Hell, gravity, as per Einstein works by warping space around the object.

here's just a small sample:

or another example, like I mentioned before in this same thread some time ago (I think), technically solid mater is mostly empty space.

Thus why I chose to focus on Literature instead of the study of one of the advanced Sciences. There is a book I love to read. It's by far one of my favorites and I've read it far more than any other book to date. It's Ready Player One by Ernest Cline. In it we see quite a lot, but one of the major points is the study of a game designers life. One of the quotes from the game designer is perhaps my favorite quote and one I apply to my life. "He who lives in glass houses should shut the fuck up." Of course it's a variation of the original "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones", but I like the updated version better.

People are going to find something to to explain the strange occurrence in the dark, the unexplained sounds, the phantom words, books being thrown, etc... until solid evidence is found. Some will still hold on to those beliefs even after evidence is found. If they want to believe in it let them. Who are we to say no? Then again... and I say this to everyone, no one should attempt to push their beliefs on you either. If you don't believe in something then don't believe in it. There is no law that says you have to believe in ghosts, spirits, demons, angels, gods, goddesses, succubi or anything else. (Although I kind of like the idea of succubi... Not sure why... Maybe because I write them so human.)

[Aztec-08]

People are going to find something to to explain the strange occurrence in the dark, the unexplained sounds, the phantom words, books being thrown, etc... until solid evidence is found. Some will still hold on to those beliefs even after evidence is found. If they want to believe in it let them. Who are we to say no? Then again... and I say this to everyone, no one should attempt to push their beliefs on you either. If you don't believe in something then don't believe in it. There is no law that says you have to believe in ghosts, spirits, demons, angels, gods, goddesses, succubi or anything else. (Although I kind of like the idea of succubi... Not sure why... Maybe because I write them so human.)

Im all for letting people believe what they want to, but its fine to get into discussions about it every once in a while. Besides, science isnt something you can shove down someones throat. Science is better understood and accepted or not accepted at all.
And whats not to like about succubi?

[MTVCCVC]

And whats not to like about succubi?

The part about stealing your soul and killing you through sex?

[Aztec-08]

And whats not to like about succubi?

The part about stealing your soul and killing you through sex?

Souls dont exist, and I think I can handle the second detail.

[Grendle1853]

Is it just me, or does the name of this thread sound like a cheesy horror movie title?

[witchiewoo]

Is it just me, or does the name of this thread sound like a cheesy horror movie title?

No.

I clicked on to this thread expecting to read about a scary movie too.

Also not a believe in ghosts, but like ghost stories. I work at an old hospital, and part of used to be an old workhouse. I'm sure we all have enough familiarity with Dickens to know what dread places they were. One of my co-workers, a fifty-year-old, curmudgeonly scientist who is as cynical was they get, was working on-call in that building late at night. At 11 o'clock, a female colleague arrived to take over from him, but when she opened the door, he saw someone with her and asked who it was. She was adamant there was no-one else. However, because she would be working alone, at night, in the creepy old building, she made him search it from top to bottom with her before she let him leave. They found nothing, obviously. He's still very reluctant to say it was a ghost.

By the way, Chaos, what the heck is an EVP??

[Chaosmob]

EVP = Electronic Voice Phenomenon. Ghost Hunters (Not just the TV show) use audio recorders to see if they pick up unheard or heard sounds and voices. Most are just simple one word voices, but a few have been longer spoken sentences.

[witchiewoo]

Thanks, Chaos.

Not very convincing evidence though.

You'd think with all the hours of ghost-hunting shows in existent that there'd be some reasonably credible evidence of ghosts if they existed. . People have probably spent more time, money & energy looking for them than they have the Higgs-Boson particle!

[Chaosmob]

LOL True. But there is some good evidences out there, some not a whole lot. hehehe