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Re: Total War Rome 2 Official Thread

Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:09 pm

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Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:47 pm
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Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:43 pm
I think the Gorgo’s Skirmishers are ones that have no evidence but that's from a website talking about the females equipment where they mention that there's no evidence that the Greeks nevermind the Spartans put woman in any combat role.
So there were Lusitani Swordswomen and Kushite shieldwomen?

I know the germanic warrior women are almost certainly made up.
From Wikipedia with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_ancient_warfare
Reference of "Appian, The Foreign Wars (ed. Horace White).The wars in Spain. Chapter XII". Retrieved October 6, 2014.
138 BC – The Roman, Sextus Junius Brutus found that in Lusitania the women were "fighting and perishing in company with the men with such bravery that they uttered no cry even in the midst of slaughter". He also noted that the Bracari women were "bearing arms with the men, who fought never turning, never showing their backs, or uttering a cry."

Woman and Labour By Olive Schreiner, p.93
102/101 BC – General Marius of the Romans fought the Teutonic Cimbrians. Cimbrian women accompanied their men into war, created a line in battle with their wagons and fought with poles and lances, as well as staves, stones, and swords. When the Cimbrian women saw that defeat was imminent, they killed their children and committed suicide rather than be taken as captives.

Weinbaum, Batya (1999). Islands of Women and Amazons:Representations and Realities. University of Texas Press. p. 59
271 BC – A group of Gothic women who were captured by Romans while fighting in the same garb as their male peers, were paraded through Rome wearing signs that said, "Amazons"

I can find stuff that's warrior queens for Kush but haven't found any warriors and I'm modding skyrim at the moment so I can't check total war rome 2 ingame wiki for stuff like that.
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Re: Total War Rome 2 Official Thread

Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:04 pm

Darkknightsvengence wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:09 pm
Ghost13 wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:47 pm
Darkknightsvengence wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:43 pm
I think the Gorgo’s Skirmishers are ones that have no evidence but that's from a website talking about the females equipment where they mention that there's no evidence that the Greeks nevermind the Spartans put woman in any combat role.
So there were Lusitani Swordswomen and Kushite shieldwomen?

I know the germanic warrior women are almost certainly made up.
From Wikipedia with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_ancient_warfare
Reference of "Appian, The Foreign Wars (ed. Horace White).The wars in Spain. Chapter XII". Retrieved October 6, 2014.
138 BC – The Roman, Sextus Junius Brutus found that in Lusitania the women were "fighting and perishing in company with the men with such bravery that they uttered no cry even in the midst of slaughter". He also noted that the Bracari women were "bearing arms with the men, who fought never turning, never showing their backs, or uttering a cry."

Woman and Labour By Olive Schreiner, p.93
102/101 BC – General Marius of the Romans fought the Teutonic Cimbrians. Cimbrian women accompanied their men into war, created a line in battle with their wagons and fought with poles and lances, as well as staves, stones, and swords. When the Cimbrian women saw that defeat was imminent, they killed their children and committed suicide rather than be taken as captives.

Weinbaum, Batya (1999). Islands of Women and Amazons:Representations and Realities. University of Texas Press. p. 59
271 BC – A group of Gothic women who were captured by Romans while fighting in the same garb as their male peers, were paraded through Rome wearing signs that said, "Amazons"

I can find stuff that's warrior queens for Kush but haven't found any warriors and I'm modding skyrim at the moment so I can't check total war rome 2 ingame wiki for stuff like that.
Okay, this is confusing me. What made Gothic and Lusitanian society so special that they allowed women to go to war? Or did these sources just make that up?

Also found this -
There are several legends from the ancient period concerning the exploits of Germanic female warriors. Womens' graves have also been found to contain spears, shields, and daggers, indicating that they may have fought alongside their men on the battlefield, rather than in a purely defensive capacity when their settlements were attacked. It was certainly common for women to have status and power within Germanic tribal society; they were able to inherit them following the death of their fathers or husbands, and could even demand divorce following an unsuccessful match. In common with the traditions of their Celtic neighbours, the opinion and judgement of Germanic priestesses and female elders was highly respected by all.
https://www.honga.net/totalwar/rome2/un ... Spearwomen
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Re: Total War Rome 2 Official Thread

Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:26 pm

Ghost13 wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:04 pm
Darkknightsvengence wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:09 pm
Ghost13 wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:47 pm


So there were Lusitani Swordswomen and Kushite shieldwomen?

I know the germanic warrior women are almost certainly made up.
From Wikipedia with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_ancient_warfare
Reference of "Appian, The Foreign Wars (ed. Horace White).The wars in Spain. Chapter XII". Retrieved October 6, 2014.
138 BC – The Roman, Sextus Junius Brutus found that in Lusitania the women were "fighting and perishing in company with the men with such bravery that they uttered no cry even in the midst of slaughter". He also noted that the Bracari women were "bearing arms with the men, who fought never turning, never showing their backs, or uttering a cry."

Woman and Labour By Olive Schreiner, p.93
102/101 BC – General Marius of the Romans fought the Teutonic Cimbrians. Cimbrian women accompanied their men into war, created a line in battle with their wagons and fought with poles and lances, as well as staves, stones, and swords. When the Cimbrian women saw that defeat was imminent, they killed their children and committed suicide rather than be taken as captives.

Weinbaum, Batya (1999). Islands of Women and Amazons:Representations and Realities. University of Texas Press. p. 59
271 BC – A group of Gothic women who were captured by Romans while fighting in the same garb as their male peers, were paraded through Rome wearing signs that said, "Amazons"

I can find stuff that's warrior queens for Kush but haven't found any warriors and I'm modding skyrim at the moment so I can't check total war rome 2 ingame wiki for stuff like that.
Okay, this is confusing me. What made Gothic and Lusitanian society so special that they allowed women to go to war? Or did these sources just make that up?
The Gothic one I think is made up because I'm not seeing any roman wars against the Goths around 270-280 BC

The Lusitanian ones might have been to do with the whole war especially since the Romans tried peace talks and then massacred most of that came to it isn't exactly going to spread a word of we're not going to wipe you out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusitanian_War
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Re: Total War Rome 2 Official Thread

Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:35 pm

Darkknightsvengence wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:26 pm
Ghost13 wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:04 pm
Darkknightsvengence wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:09 pm


From Wikipedia with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_ancient_warfare
Reference of "Appian, The Foreign Wars (ed. Horace White).The wars in Spain. Chapter XII". Retrieved October 6, 2014.
138 BC – The Roman, Sextus Junius Brutus found that in Lusitania the women were "fighting and perishing in company with the men with such bravery that they uttered no cry even in the midst of slaughter". He also noted that the Bracari women were "bearing arms with the men, who fought never turning, never showing their backs, or uttering a cry."

Woman and Labour By Olive Schreiner, p.93
102/101 BC – General Marius of the Romans fought the Teutonic Cimbrians. Cimbrian women accompanied their men into war, created a line in battle with their wagons and fought with poles and lances, as well as staves, stones, and swords. When the Cimbrian women saw that defeat was imminent, they killed their children and committed suicide rather than be taken as captives.

Weinbaum, Batya (1999). Islands of Women and Amazons:Representations and Realities. University of Texas Press. p. 59
271 BC – A group of Gothic women who were captured by Romans while fighting in the same garb as their male peers, were paraded through Rome wearing signs that said, "Amazons"

I can find stuff that's warrior queens for Kush but haven't found any warriors and I'm modding skyrim at the moment so I can't check total war rome 2 ingame wiki for stuff like that.
Okay, this is confusing me. What made Gothic and Lusitanian society so special that they allowed women to go to war? Or did these sources just make that up?
The Gothic one I think is made up because I'm not seeing any roman wars against the Goths around 270-280 BC

The Lusitanian ones might have been to do with the whole war especially since the Romans tried peace talks and then massacred most of that came to it isn't exactly going to spread a word of we're not going to wipe you out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusitanian_War
There were battles against the Goths during that time. Otherwise I doubt they would have such a large role in Empire Divided.
Cniva (either Gothic *kneiba, from PGmc *knīban, "knife"; or kniwa, meaning "knee"; fl. mid-3rd century AD) was a Gothic chieftain who invaded the Roman Empire. He successfully captured the city of Philippopolis (Plovdiv in Bulgaria) in 250 and killed Emperor Decius and his son Herennius Etruscus at the Battle of Abritus as he was attempting to leave the Empire in 251. This was the first time a Roman Emperor had been killed in combat against barbarians. He was allowed by the new Emperor Trebonianus Gallus to leave with his spoils and was paid tribute to stay out of the empire. Cniva eventually broke his peace treaty with Gallus and renewed his invasion. This time, Cniva was soundly defeated by the legions under Roman general Aemilianus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cniva
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabaudes

Apparently people aren´t sure whether these two generals are one and the same. The developers of the game decided to make them different people. Why exactly I am not sure. Maybe it is the better theory.

The game also states that there is archeological evidence...

So you mean that the Lusitani probably used women because the Romans were espcially brutal, making more reserves necessary?
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Re: Total War Rome 2 Official Thread

Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:28 pm

Ghost13 wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:35 pm
Darkknightsvengence wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:26 pm
Ghost13 wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:04 pm


Okay, this is confusing me. What made Gothic and Lusitanian society so special that they allowed women to go to war? Or did these sources just make that up?
The Gothic one I think is made up because I'm not seeing any roman wars against the Goths around 270-280 BC

The Lusitanian ones might have been to do with the whole war especially since the Romans tried peace talks and then massacred most of that came to it isn't exactly going to spread a word of we're not going to wipe you out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusitanian_War
There were battles against the Goths during that time. Otherwise I doubt they would have such a large role in Empire Divided.
Cniva (either Gothic *kneiba, from PGmc *knīban, "knife"; or kniwa, meaning "knee"; fl. mid-3rd century AD) was a Gothic chieftain who invaded the Roman Empire. He successfully captured the city of Philippopolis (Plovdiv in Bulgaria) in 250 and killed Emperor Decius and his son Herennius Etruscus at the Battle of Abritus as he was attempting to leave the Empire in 251. This was the first time a Roman Emperor had been killed in combat against barbarians. He was allowed by the new Emperor Trebonianus Gallus to leave with his spoils and was paid tribute to stay out of the empire. Cniva eventually broke his peace treaty with Gallus and renewed his invasion. This time, Cniva was soundly defeated by the legions under Roman general Aemilianus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cniva
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabaudes

Apparently people aren´t sure whether these two generals are one and the same. The developers of the game decided to make them different people. Why exactly I am not sure. Maybe it is the better theory.

The game also states that there is archeological evidence...

So you mean that the Lusitani probably used women because the Romans were espcially brutal, making more reserves necessary?
The gothic one reports itself as BC Empire Divided is set in AD and I couldn't find a war around around 271 BC that wasn't Pyrrhic War which was 280-275 BC after that it's the First Punic War 264-241 BC

Given that we have very little from the Lustiani PoV probably as the actions(the roughly 10k massacred) of Galba didn't help the war as Viriathus was elected their leader and he survived that massacre so he had a vendetta against the Romans even convincing others to not accept any Roman offers.
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Re: Total War Rome 2 Official Thread

Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:57 pm

Darkknightsvengence wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:28 pm
Ghost13 wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:35 pm
Darkknightsvengence wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:26 pm


The Gothic one I think is made up because I'm not seeing any roman wars against the Goths around 270-280 BC

The Lusitanian ones might have been to do with the whole war especially since the Romans tried peace talks and then massacred most of that came to it isn't exactly going to spread a word of we're not going to wipe you out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusitanian_War
There were battles against the Goths during that time. Otherwise I doubt they would have such a large role in Empire Divided.
Cniva (either Gothic *kneiba, from PGmc *knīban, "knife"; or kniwa, meaning "knee"; fl. mid-3rd century AD) was a Gothic chieftain who invaded the Roman Empire. He successfully captured the city of Philippopolis (Plovdiv in Bulgaria) in 250 and killed Emperor Decius and his son Herennius Etruscus at the Battle of Abritus as he was attempting to leave the Empire in 251. This was the first time a Roman Emperor had been killed in combat against barbarians. He was allowed by the new Emperor Trebonianus Gallus to leave with his spoils and was paid tribute to stay out of the empire. Cniva eventually broke his peace treaty with Gallus and renewed his invasion. This time, Cniva was soundly defeated by the legions under Roman general Aemilianus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cniva
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabaudes

Apparently people aren´t sure whether these two generals are one and the same. The developers of the game decided to make them different people. Why exactly I am not sure. Maybe it is the better theory.

The game also states that there is archeological evidence...

So you mean that the Lusitani probably used women because the Romans were espcially brutal, making more reserves necessary?
The gothic one reports itself as BC Empire Divided is set in AD and I couldn't find a war around around 271 BC that wasn't Pyrrhic War which was 280-275 BC after that it's the First Punic War 264-241 BC

Given that we have very little from the Lustiani PoV probably as the actions(the roughly 10k massacred) of Galba didn't help the war as Viriathus was elected their leader and he survived that massacre so he had a vendetta against the Romans even convincing others to not accept any Roman offers.
Its probably just a mistake. I found another refrence to the gothic woman in a book by Herwig Wolfram, who is a proper historian. Accordingt to him the women were might have been part of an entire division that fought alongside the menfolk -

https://books.google.de/books?id=xsQxcJ ... ns&f=false

But I guess this was still a rare exception. Unless this author got it right. Which I am not sure of.
The connection of the Goths to the Amazons was likely conceived by the Romans for two reasons. The first is that there was likely a self-perception of Amazonian qualities in the Gothic culture. Geary recounts the history of how a group of Goth women, left at home without men during a campaign, were drawn into war with a neighbor, and began to rule themselves as a society of women after achieving military victory (Geary 26). Geary also relates how this perception of Amazons having origins in Goth society may have stemmed from Roman campaigns in the region, as many of the barbarian tribes may have included women in their armies (Geary 27). Geary also tells us of a victory of the Roman emperor Aurelian over a Gothic army. Upon returning to Rome and holding a triumph in 274 CE, Aurelian displayed the Goths captured during the campaign, including ten women he declared Amazons (Geary 30).
https://womeninantiquity.wordpress.com/ ... 3/amazons/

I wonder where Creative Assembly got that info about archeology from.
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Re: Total War Rome 2 Official Thread

Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:29 pm

Right patch notes
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/desert-ki ... atch-notes
New features


Female Leaders

Following in Zenobia’s footsteps, Cleopatra and Teuta are now fully playable as faction leaders and generals, along with custom visuals and voice-over.
Teuta has been added as the leader of the Ardiaei in the Grand Campaign.
Cleopatra has been added as the leader of Egypt in the Imperator Augustus campaign.
Major female characters have been added to all campaigns and all factions. In some cultures, such as Roman and Greek, women occupy social/political roles, while in others, women may be generals and lead armies.
For cultures where women do not hold public offices, there is a special Cursus Honorum path that follows the increase in the influence of women in politics.
There are special events (dilemmas) which portray the trials and tribulations associated with women coming to power in ancient times. Often, tradition and prejudice stood in the way. Such events allow the player to recruit female leaders, or gain other bonuses from parties that would normally oppose such a decision.
Important historical female characters will spawn via special incidents at various times throughout various ROME II campaigns:
Historical Queen Campaign Faction
Berenice III ROME II Grand Campaign Ptolemaic Egypt
Cleopatra II ROME II Grand Campaign Ptolemaic Egypt
Berenice IV ROME II Grand Campaign Ptolemaic Egypt
Cleopatra Thea ROME II Grand Campaign Seleucids
Berenice Phernophorus ROME II Grand Campaign Seleucids
Olympias II ROME II Grand Campaign Epirus
Laodice ROME II Grand Campaign Pontus
Laodice IV ROME II Grand Campaign Pontus
Erato Imperator Augustus Armenia
Musa Imperator Augustus Parthia
Amanitore ROME II Grand Campaign Kush
Shanakhdakheto ROME II Grand Campaign Kush


Faction leaders of opposite gender can now marry as a diplomatic action, significantly strengthening the relations between the two factions.
The basic marriage action now has political implications.


New Resource: Spices

The Spices resource has been added to the Eudaemon and Charmuthas regions of the Arabian Peninsula. Spices give a large bonus to tariff income from trade agreements.



Merge Units button:

A new button allowing the player to merge two selected units of the same type into one has been added to the game.



Guard Mode:

The Guard Mode stance has been reintroduced into battles and players can now again put units into Guard Mode, keeping them in position and preventing them from chasing down enemies.

Guard Mode is disabled when units are on walls.



Mod Filter:

A new Mod Filter tool has been introduced to help players disable all their mods after a new patch is applied to prevent them from breaking the game.



Factions removed from the Grand Campaign:

The following factions have been removed from the Grand Campaign due to the addition of The Sabaean Kingdom and The Kingdom of Kush:

Meroe
Blemmys
Himyar
Those factions can still spawn in the game if the player liberates their original regions.



BUG FIXES
Performance improvements

Removed Ctrl+F1 as a shortcut to take a screenshot. This was undocumented and causes the game to freeze for second which would make it look like an issue.

Optimised the rendering of waypoints in battle

Fixed an issue causing pathfinding spikes when selected player units are on walls during sieges

Fixed an issue causing pathfinding spikes when units are close to walls in sieges

Fixed an issue where defending AI would not defend or react to wall breaches.

Fixed an issue where defending AI would not defend a gate breach

Fixed an issue where selecting a character on the campaign map and then using the mouse to scroll the map would cause the framerate to drop



Unit Animations Fixes:

Fixed issues on club and axe-wielding units sometimes using animations that are meant to be used only with swords (beheadings, stabs, etc).

Fixed the issues with dismembering animations being overused. Enabling Blood and Gore DLC will bump them up in frequency only when a killing blow is executed

Fixed an issue where Admirals would not be present on their ships.



Government Types in Wrath of Sparta:

Changed the government types of Athens and Korinthos in the Wrath of Sparta DLC from Kingdom to Politea, and the government type of the Boiotian League from Kingdom to League.





Starting political party traits:

Most rival political parties will now always start with a certain set of traits to better represent the current political situation and prevent strange cases like the rival party of the Iceni hating easterners, even though they would probably have no way of even knowing them.



Send Diplomat fixes:

Fixed an issue causing the Send Diplomat feature to cause incorrect outcomes that could never result in a critical success. Now with a critical success, the player will get a whole region from the target faction.



Champion Trait: Striking:

The champion trait Striking has been fixed to actually hurt the enemy army.



Scipio Africanus:

Scipio Africanus is once again available in the Hannibal at the Gates campaign.



Achievement Fixes:

The Seize the Initiative achievement will now unlock if the player manages to attack an enemy army in encamped state and win the battle with less than 15% casualties.

The Pontifex Maximus achievement will now correctly unlock when a player constructs a level 5 cultural building as Rome.



Shield Decal Fixes:

Fixed some units missing shield decals, mainly for Odryssian Kingdom spears.







Empire Divided:
New additions

Move Capital Dilemma:

A new dilemma has been added for all Roman factions upon capturing Rome, asking them if they want to move their faction capital there.

New Saxoni Ships:

Three new naval units have been added to the Saxoni roster in both campaign and custom battle:

Assault Raider (Geoguth Warriors)
Medium Assault Raider (Duguth Spearmen)
Heavy Raider (Gedriht Swordsmen)


New Saxoni Admiral option:

The Heavy Raider (Gedriht Swordsmen) can now be recruited as a bodyguard unit for Saxoni Admirals.

Bug Fixes

Gallic Empire client states:

Fixed an issue with all the Gallic Empire’s client states not recruiting any medium or high tier units.



Tetricus’ Spear:

Fixed Tetricus’ model in battle to hold a spear while on a chariot



Eastern Barbarian city center artillery fixes:

Fixed a bug with cities in eastern Barbarian cultures displaying more artillery slots in the building tooltips then there actually were.



Multiple Visual Updates on Roman units:

Multiple units from the Roman factions have had their models update for better historical accuracy. These units include: Gallic Legionaries, Gallic Imperial Guard, Gallic Longsword Cohort, Heavy Gallic Spearmen, Spear Warriors, Palmyrene Cohors, Palmyrene Veteran Legionaries, Palmyrene Legionaries, Armoured Pikemen, Heavy Palmyrene Skirmishers, Palmyrene Spearmen, Palmyrene Legionary Cavalry, Palmyrene Palace Guard, Roman Legionaries, Roman Cohors, Roman Evocati Cohors, Herculiani, Roman Praetorian Guard, Roman Praetorian Cavalry.



Unit Voice Line fixes:

Fixed several issues of units not using the correct voice lines, including Germanic Pikes, and some of the Alani units.



Known Issue:

The Status Quo achievement is not currently attainable
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