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perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:13 am

i think the court of owls and veronica cale and maybe ares would be good villains for it kinda like a james bond movie
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:17 pm

Doing a James Bond-esque story with Bruce is always a good idea in my book. As someone who believes that the "Bruce Wayne" part of Bruce is criminally underutilized, I'd love to see more of that side getting explored. It could work especially well with Diana in her "Diana Prince" civilian identity. Imagine a scenario like Casino Royale, where Bruce infiltrate some rich guys ring that finances criminal activities and needs to play by their rules in order to stop them from the inside. Add to that Diana Prince as the "Bond Girl" (Bat Girl, maybe ?), except she actually kicks ass. Both of them are forced to work undercover for whatever reason and they need to cooperate to bring down the criminal organization.

Or something like that. One of things I like about BvS was how it showed Diana's and Bruce's worlds intersecting as members of the high society. It fits their royal/rich backgrounds, and shows that the two have many things in common. As for the villains, Veronica Cale definitely sounds like a good fit. Maxie Zeus is a good contender as well as far as Batman foes go, as I believe has a lot of wasted potential.
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:43 pm

A lot of villain's could work but the one that comes to mind first is Ra's. I think the Bond undercover senario that ARB laid out could work well with Ra's. We could even dive more into Ra's immortality this outlook on life and how he came to his extremist environmentalist view and contrast them with Wonder Woman's mission and world outlook.

Ra's wealth and endless army could give both a run and we could see the depth of his magical knowledge and so on. I think Ra's would make a good Wonder woman villain. He could show up in diplomatic circles forcing Wonder woman to take a different route in defeating him. Imagine Diana as embassador trying to diplomatically end a civil war while Ra's support both side to have them destroy each other for the "greater good" it could be amazing if written correctly.
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:31 pm

Duh, Ra's would be a perfect pick for a WW/BM villain story how did that not occur to me ?

Yeah I can definitely see a Ra's story working out very well. Ancient order of warriors with penchant for swords sounds like a good fit for a WW villain. Funny how I've always thought that Talia can be a great foil to Diana in terms of being love interest to Bruce. Two "princess" type characters, with swords and exotic looks. Just seems like several parallels can be drawn between the two in an interesting way. Ra's, in spite of not exactly being underutilized, is often misused and I think he has a claim to the title of "Batman's arch-nemesis" as much as the Joker.

So I definitely second the Ra's suggestion. It's crazy how divorced Ra's and the League of Assassins have become from Batman, being treated more as a casual enemy rather than one of his primary antagonists.
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Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:11 pm

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Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:56 am

Since it's a team up you would have to have one from each of their rogues galleries. First thought that came to mind was Catwoman and Cheetah. :)
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:56 am

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Since it's a team up you would have to have one from each of their rogues galleries. First thought that came to mind was Catwoman and Cheetah. :)
Yeah, despite what King would like you to believe, Catwoman wouldn't pose a threat to either of them. There is a reason why the classic images of her "fights" with Batman, is mostly her running away and him chasing her. She would have even less of a chance against Wonder Woman, and I don't see her and Cheetah working well together.
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:51 pm

Come on Grendle. It's comics, they can do anything. ;) However she could be the mastermind behind it all. Since she is miffed that Batman has a new gal. ;) hehehe
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:42 pm

Honestly ? At this point I don't think Catwoman can even be seen as a legitimate villain anymore (she's not a legitimate hero either). I feel it will take years of work from DC for readers to be able to see her as anything more than a love interest.

I don like the idea of WW and BM villains teaming up however. Only issue is that poor Diana really doesn't have an extensive rogues gallery so the choices are rather limited. Dr. Psycho and Dr. Cyber would probably be good candidates for a BMWW team-up, perhaps with someone like the Riddler or Hugo Strange.
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:24 pm

Veronica Cale comes to mind for Wonder woman villain to use. She's rich and crafty enough to play some mind game and be a threat to both Al be it in a lex Luther kind of way. If anything else it would give us the opportunity to see more Bruce Wayne.

Circe could also work playing up Bruce's gothic side. Having them go on a vetigo esque adventure could be fun.
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:12 am

Sign me up for any story that has Bruce working undercover as rich guy Bruce Wayne. Imagine people seeing Bruce Wayne trying to sleazily flirt with Wonder Woman and getting shot down by her. I see lots of potential in a set up like that.
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:10 am

Funny enough we have seen Bruce hit on Diana as Bruce Wayne before. Rucka wrote him biding for a date with her in his second run and he did it in the classic Brave and the Bold.

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I like when we see more Bruce Wayne. I like when we see him go to charities and race cars and stuff. I would like to see his interactions with Veronica Cale that could be interesting.
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:25 am

Bruce Wayne is trying to do this big international aid project, Kobra threatens his life, so the UN asks the Justice League if they can send a superhero to be Mr. Wayne's bodyguard for the conference, and Wonder Woman offers to do the job.
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:16 pm

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Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:42 pm
Honestly ? At this point I don't think Catwoman can even be seen as a legitimate villain anymore (she's not a legitimate hero either). I feel it will take years of work from DC for readers to be able to see her as anything more than a love interest.

I don like the idea of WW and BM villains teaming up however. Only issue is that poor Diana really doesn't have an extensive rogues gallery so the choices are rather limited. Dr. Psycho and Dr. Cyber would probably be good candidates for a BMWW team-up, perhaps with someone like the Riddler or Hugo Strange.
Yeah I totally know, DC should have for a while been introducing new villains for Diana. Diana's rogues gallery is very limited. For a people of over 3000 plus years they should have a monster list of enemies that would love pay back on them.
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:05 pm

None of Wondy's villains are even close to being iconic either, unfortunately. But they aren't the worst of all time. I can rock with Circe, Giganta and Ares but Cheetah is pretty meh even though she's supposed to be Diana's main like Joker is to Bruce. They just don't hit on the same level that Lex or Bane does.
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:58 pm

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Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:10 am
Funny enough we have seen Bruce hit on Diana as Bruce Wayne before. Rucka wrote him biding for a date with her in his second run and he did it in the classic Brave and the Bold.

I like when we see more Bruce Wayne. I like when we see him go to charities and race cars and stuff. I would like to see his interactions with Veronica Cale that could be interesting.
Brave and the Bold is the gift that keeps on giving. My love for Bruce Wayne, the actual character, is why I hate the notion of "Bruce Wayne is the mask" BS, because it suggests that Batman is merely a persona who anyone could become if they just wore the costume. This is probably why you have many people insisting that Bruce should retire or get killed to "give chance" to other characters to have some play time with the cowl. As if Bruce was hogging all the fun to himself and depriving others from it, ignoring the fact that the Batman mantle might be one of the few ones with deep personal connection and meaning to the character.....but I digress.

I couldn't agree more. Seeing Bruce going to charities and functions, acting like the spoiled rich guy he's supposed to be is immensely fun and I think would open the doors for different kind of stories to be told if DC would only let go of their obsession with killing Bruce's double life. Yeah that WW Rebirth issue by Rucka is a great example on what can be done with Bruce, and it also had him bidding on a date with Diana so it's perfect BMWW set up. Rucka should definitely write a BMWW if it was to ever exist.
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Yeah I totally know, DC should have for a while been introducing new villains for Diana. Diana's rogues gallery is very limited. For a people of over 3000 plus years they should have a monster list of enemies that would love pay back on them.
I feel Diana's entire roster of support characters is lackluster to say the least, which clashes with how strong Diana is herself as a character. Aside from the Wonder family and the Greek myth side of things, WW needs serious work done to her related characters in order to bring them up to her level. This is why most people only know her from her JL stories, or worse automatically attach her to Superman's world.
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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:28 am

DC trying to kill playboy Bruce probably has something to do with the "Batman secretly hates his wealth and power" and writing him with little quirks like how he pays off models to pretend like they slept with him, drinks water while pretending its alcohol, talks to all the upper-class socialites with a smile on his face and immense hate for their very being in his heart, etc, etc. They basically do everything short of making Bruce into a complete Marxist. It's like DC is afraid that showing Bruce even slightly enjoying his lifestyle might paint him in a bad image, which is also how "Bruce is the mask" came about because if Bruce never really enjoys being Bruce (and 90% of what we see of Bruce Wayne in the comics is playboy Bruce), then clearly it's just him pretending. I personally think it's silly, if anything, Bruce actually having fun with his station in life to an extent gives his character more flavor.

As for Wonder Woman, her supporting cast and villains are fine, it's just barely anyone uses them. Steve Trevor, Etta Candy, Artemis, Dr. Psycho, Dr. Poison, Dr. Cyber, Silver Swan, Blue Snowman, Ares, etc, all have potential. Granted, some of them like Cheetah just suck no matter what and shouldn't be given nearly as much prominence as they currently are but it's not other heroes don't have their fair share of stinkers either. I would personally like DC to embrace WW's wacky sci-fi side a bit more, there's a bit too much emphasis on Ancient Greece and nothing else in her lore half the time.
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:25 pm

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Re: perfect villian for a wonderbat team up

Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:24 pm

Poison Ivy comes to mind also. She was one of the first Batman villain to appear as an antogonist in a Wonder woman book.

A Wonder woman villain who could work also is Doctor Cyber. Her technically focus could prove a good fit. I could see a story focusing on Batman's sometime overeliance on his technology with Doctor Cyber as the villain.
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