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Re: Bat-books Talk

Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:04 pm

You know I never got why that is a bad thing yes his main drive is the war against crime but that is not his only interest. I bet that is an excuse because catwoman does not make sense for batman to date. Well what do you know you need to pair him with someone who understands his mission is the most important aspect and accept it. Talia was written like that even though she is a villian though her love was destroyed by the writings of morrison and others for that reason. If he ever dated diana she would understand that she has her own mission as well. Catwoman is just to selfish even knowing that. It comes first the mission but he has other interests as well to help with it.
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:28 pm

Man it's been a while since I've been here. A combination of getting busy in my personal life, and falling ill at a very inopportune time made it difficult to check up on you guys. In any case...
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Someone just posted some spoilers from Tom King's run on 4chan.
Just read Batman #69. Batman breaks out of the nightmare by acknowledging his greatest fear: that he doesn't actually love Catwoman.

Just prepping you for the storytime. You can thank me later.
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Update. I just read the issue. It's just more of the same. Bruce can't love anyone, anything - it's not just Catwoman - because he just loves being Batman more. The same bullshit about the "vow" of dedicating himself to fighting crime being the his own method of suicide. Like Catwoman says in the comic he forswore any possibility of love in life and instead embraced a life made up of endless war.
As if there were any doubts before that this whole sham of a run was never ending in a marriage, I guess this should wake up the deluded BatCats still clinging to their savior Tom King to canonize their fanfiction. This is still garbage don't get me wrong, and a very DC move to boot. This is the same exact excuse that all writers have used to break up BatCat before to avoid pointing out how awful it is. No it's Bruce who's the problem not Catwoman, and just leave it at that.

That allows them to continue milking the relationship, ensure that Catwoman will always be the closest thing to a girlfriend that Batman has to prop her up meaning DC will never allow writers to introduce new love interests for him, while still never committing this awfulness into an actual marriage. I'm just baffled that after all the BS that King's made about the relationship in his run, DC still never had any intention of actually going through with it and were only stringing readers along.

This pretty much confirms my hunch that DC basically told King to do whatever he wanted as long as he returned things to the way they were once he's finished. King still got his fanfic published in the annual, and he continues to write his cringe worthy romance in the main book, but it all won't ever amount to anything, and that will only piss off the BatCats more. DC is so out of touch with the people they're pandering to so much that they don't realize that none of this will ever fly with them. They kept on stringing the BatCats along, pushing things so far as to advertise a fake wedding, before back peddling and erasing everything. How dumb can one company be ?

I have no sympathy for the BatCats, and honestly the softcore porn level stuff that King gave them is more than they deserve. However, I'm still baffled by the decision making process at DC. They continue to bend Batman over backwards to the point of breaking just to pander to part of their audience that will never truly get what they want, so what's the point of any of this ? Why not focus on writing Batman right, and leave the romance stuff to whatever comes naturally to the writers ? I say that but then we get people like King who clearly took over the book with the intent on having their BatCat fanfic canonized, so I guess that doesn't always work either.

Even after all of this, I highly doubt that people will completely turn on King. I can practically hear the people squeeling about how this is all the fault of Didio or some other schmuck rather than point their fingers towards King. Still this 105 magnum opus of BatCat fanfic has pretty much done more damage to the relationship than anything DC's done before. Also, apparently Catwoman got herself a new boyfriend in her solo book (something that's completely fine for her), and the Catwoman "fans" are losing their collective minds over it and are turning on Joelle Jones. It must be fun being a part of that camp.
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:56 pm

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Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:28 pm
Catwoman "fans" are losing their collective minds over it and are turning on Joelle Jones. It must be fun being a part of that camp.
Mmm mmm I love a good train wreck 😏
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Mon May 13, 2019 3:51 pm

I'm so, so sorry, guys.

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Tom King Teases Twist That Will "Change the Batman for a Generation:

“I’ve been talking to, not just DC, but Warner Brothers and AT&T. What we’re going to do for the last 15 issues is something no one’s ever seen for the character. It’s something that’s going to change the character for a generation, or maybe more. Maybe forever. I never thought we’d get this kind of stuff approved; when you’re working with a corporate character, you think you’re going to have to reset. But this is a change that’s going to shake the world of Batman and it’s going to leave my mark on the character.”
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Mon May 13, 2019 4:41 pm

Probably more of King's self important bullshit.
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Mon May 13, 2019 6:22 pm

I’m terrified of what it could be.
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Mon May 13, 2019 6:36 pm

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I’m terrified of what it could be.
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Mon May 13, 2019 7:50 pm

God damn King, I have no idea what it could be. I am pretty sure it is something negative. Wedding maybe?
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Mon May 13, 2019 9:25 pm

This dude is among one of the biggest dysfunctional morons like Miller to have EVER touched Batman.
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Mon May 13, 2019 9:27 pm

Based on this interview and that garbage nightmare arc, I'm reading this as Bruce hanging it up (for a while). If "the vow" was in the way of his hapiness, then what else would rectify it than breaking his vow?

This is, of course, just me taking a shot in the dark.
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Mon May 13, 2019 10:13 pm

Corporate : "Yeah sure Tom, whatever. Its not like anyone reads comics these days anyway."
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Tue May 14, 2019 12:33 am

JESUS F***ING CHRIST, King has ruined Batman and Wally, what more does this hack want ? How does he continue to do whatever he wants when nothing he's done so far justify this kind of treatment ? His book's sales are dipping further and further down, and he hasn't been selling as well as previous writers to begin with. Are the stooges running DC bewitched or something ? Is King black mailing them ? I just can't understand how could this be happening, and after all the garbage that King has pulled recently.

Do you guys remember when I said that King would rest until he does some lasting damage to Batman ? I said that back when the second Annual was released, and saw King's unapologetic fanfic being put to paper with DC's blessings. Right then I knew this hack had no love or respect for Batman and his legacy. He just wants to change and mold Batman into his image and leave his prints all over him. It's clear now that there are no limits to how low King will go in order to ensure that his time on Batman is the only one that matters.

I've known this is the kind of person he is, and still I'm shocked at how blatantly he continues to ruin every character he gets his hands on with no one taking any steps to stop him. DC/WB can't possibly be so happy with him to just rollover for every one of his whims. DC keep on interfering with the work of other writers, even legendary ones like Morrison, so what makes King so special ?

Can't believe we have two more years of this crap, and now we might have to live with King's shit writing for years to come. Rebirth was an even worse mistake than the New 52.
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Tue May 14, 2019 1:15 am

I think the tide is turning and it started first with mischaracterizing diana for the batcat crap and killing wally made it worse for him. But he still goes on because he is writing is batcat fanfic. I hope they just throw this era away and make it forgotten will except for the batcat crazies though.
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Tue May 14, 2019 1:46 pm

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JESUS F***ING CHRIST, King has ruined Batman and Wally, what more does this hack want ? How does he continue to do whatever he wants when nothing he's done so far justify this kind of treatment ? His book's sales are dipping further and further down, and he hasn't been selling as well as previous writers to begin with. Are the stooges running DC bewitched or something ? Is King black mailing them ? I just can't understand how could this be happening, and after all the garbage that King has pulled recently.

Do you guys remember when I said that King would rest until he does some lasting damage to Batman ? I said that back when the second Annual was released, and saw King's unapologetic fanfic being put to paper with DC's blessings. Right then I knew this hack had no love or respect for Batman and his legacy. He just wants to change and mold Batman into his image and leave his prints all over him. It's clear now that there are no limits to how low King will go in order to ensure that his time on Batman is the only one that matters.

I've known this is the kind of person he is, and still I'm shocked at how blatantly he continues to ruin every character he gets his hands on with no one taking any steps to stop him. DC/WB can't possibly be so happy with him to just rollover for every one of his whims. DC keep on interfering with the work of other writers, even legendary ones like Morrison, so what makes King so special ?

Can't believe we have two more years of this crap, and now we might have to live with King's shit writing for years to come. Rebirth was an even worse mistake than the New 52.

I have to wonder if it doesn't just come down to something petty... Like press coverage. The fact that his publicity stunts work (on the most superficial level of at least getting clicks and headlines) are really the only endearing quality I can suss out of all this to make DC roll over to such sub par storytelling and characterization. His non-wedding got DC a massive amount of hype and pre-sale and press coverage around it (it was one of those handful of times in a decade where you see a comic get mainstream attention a la Death of Superman, Marriage of Spider Man, etc).

The big question is (if I'm right), if DC is so shaken and concerned that they are losing relevance and viability (which seeing how successful the past few years have been for them is shocking) that they are willing to allow their workhorse to be put out to pasture all for some buzz?
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Wed May 15, 2019 12:19 am

I keep trying to come up with some ideas one what King's master plan could possibly be. I don't see it being a BatCat marriage, as that doesn't seem like something that he'd need both WB's and AT&T's approval. Bruce dying ? Done before and it will never stick. This is something that allegedly could change Batman forever, and assuming this is not just King talking out of his ass, I honestly can't think of anything that would warrant the kind of involvement from higher ups. Could King want to have Batman murder somebody ? To do away with Batman's code ? King clearly believes that Batman's philosophy is complete BS, so I don't see him respecting his code and morals.

I've seen the BatCats clamoring for it to be a marriage or a pregnancy (hilarious how these Catwoman "fans" pretty much want to pimp her out to Bruce at any cost. Shows how much worth Catwoman truly has), but I don't see it being either, because as I've said that's not the kind of thing you'd need AT&T to OK. DC at this point would probably approve of a BatCat porno so I don't see them having any issues with whatever King might want to do on that front. No, this is something that DC probably didn't want to OK, which lead King, immature as he is, to go over them and talk tp WB/AT&T directly to get approval.

I'm so worried about what this hack might do. The fact that he's pulling this BS in the last 15 issues pretty much shows that he just want to be known as the guy who changed Batman, without actually taking the time to explore the idea himself, which is perfectly in keeping with his cowardly attitude that he has shown so far.
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I have to wonder if it doesn't just come down to something petty... Like press coverage. The fact that his publicity stunts work (on the most superficial level of at least getting clicks and headlines) are really the only endearing quality I can suss out of all this to make DC roll over to such sub par storytelling and characterization. His non-wedding got DC a massive amount of hype and pre-sale and press coverage around it (it was one of those handful of times in a decade where you see a comic get mainstream attention a la Death of Superman, Marriage of Spider Man, etc).

The big question is (if I'm right), if DC is so shaken and concerned that they are losing relevance and viability (which seeing how successful the past few years have been for them is shocking) that they are willing to allow their workhorse to be put out to pasture all for some buzz?
King's sales keep going down further and further, so I don't see what's the point of giving him more power and freedom to ruin things even further. The shitshow that Heroes in Crisis was should've been enough to completely derail any other writer's career, and yet all that DC has done so far is to simply cut back on the advertisement and distance themselves from fan outrage. And yet they seem so intent on backing King up till the bitter end. It's as if they placed all their eggs in one basket and are now stubbornly refusing to back down after it's become clear they've made the wrong decision.

Still, DC has shown knee jerk reactions to pretty much every thing else. Remember what they did to Black Label and Batman Damned ? The pretty much gutted the entire imprint and forced Azzarello to change his story simply because people made fun of them for the tactless use of nudity. And yet here we are more than 3 years after the launch of Rebirth, and nobody has moved a muscle to stop or at least attempt to fix the mess that King has made. Why not give the book to another writer who can pull off these cheap click bait headlines without pissing off everyone of their readers ? Once again I ask what's so special about King ? It's all so baffling to think about.
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Wed May 15, 2019 1:25 am

ex CIA has dirt on didio most likely
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Wed May 15, 2019 2:13 am

They done gave Supes a damn dark side in games and their dumb cinematic universe. So going above and beyond talking to higher-ups...man....this is not crash. Not crash at all.
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Re: Bat-books Talk

Wed May 15, 2019 3:28 pm

If I had to guess I think he’s just gonna have Batman flat out murder Bane.
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